{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26437907","dateCreated":"1282949733","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ellagicacid","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ellagicacid","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1343664898\/ellagicacid-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26437907"},"dateDigested":1531973789,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller Question 1","description":"Ella Nugent
\nDaisy Miller: A study
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\nFrom the moment Winterbourne meets Daisy Miller, he is intrigued and interested by her beauty. He is equally puzzled by her but enjoys her company and likes her. He is immediately captivated by her beauty when Randolph first indroduces them. \u201c... for the young girl\u2019s eyes were singularly honest and fresh. They were wonderfully pretty eyes; and, indeed, Winterbourne had not seen for a long time anything prettier than his fair countrywoman\u2019s various features...\u201d (pg 322). He goes on about her beauty and even admits he \u201chad a great relish for feminie beauty..\u201d (pg 322). He decides he is puzzled by her as soon as they begin chatting; \u201cPoor Winterbourne was amused, perplexed and, decidedly charmed.\u201d (pg 324). He is further puzzled by her flirtiness and because she is so different from any of the other women he has ever met; \u201cMiss Daisy Miller was a flirt- a pretty American flirt. He had never, as yet, had any relations with young ladies of the category..\u201d (pg 325). He is not sure how to act around her and at first is embarrassed about staring at her so much but after a bit notices \u201cshe was not in the least embarrassed herself... she was evidently neither offended nor fluttered (pg 322). It is obvious that Winterbourne likes her because he is eager to take her out to the Chateau de Chillon \u2018\u201cI shall not be happy till we go!\u201d he protested\u2019 (pg 326). He is always polite and respectful to her and sticks up for her when Mrs. Costello insults her: \u201cBut she is wonderfully pretty, and, in short, she is very nice\u201d (pg 328).
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\nI, on the otherhand, feel very differently about Daisy. Although I like that she is unique and different, she is rude, spoiled, and used to having things her own way. She wants people to pay attention to her and to make a fuss over her. \u2018\u201cOh, I hoped you would make a fuss!\u201d said Daisy. \u201cI don\u2019t care to go now\u201d\u2019 (pg 333). Daisy Miller does not value Winterbourne enough to spend time with him or enjoy his company, she just wanted Eugenio to make a fuss over her going out to the boats at night. When Winterbourne says he will make a fuss if she doesn\u2019t go with him, she says again \u201cThat\u2019s all I want- a little fuss!\u201d. She tells Winterbourne \u201cI hope you are disappointed, or disgusted, or something!\u201d. Again, she wants Winterbourne to be upset she isn\u2019t going with him and wants more attention. She is rude to Winterbourne again when he politely tells her that he cannot go around with her and teach Randolph because he has other occupations. Daisy gets upset and calls him horrid and does nothing but call him horrid for the next ten minutes, only because he said he has to go home to Geneva to visit his aunt. I think this is extremely rude and unfair of Daisy because he always treats her with the utmost courtesy and even took her out for the day and she spoils it because she is not used to being told no and not getting what she wants.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467889","body":"Ella,
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\nIn terms of how you see Winterbourne's appraisal of Daisy, I would ask you if you noticed any development in his feelings? Here you don't seem to note any.
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\nAnswer earlier next time.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283121418","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26436727","dateCreated":"1282945689","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"danielx_184","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/danielx_184","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26436727"},"dateDigested":1531973790,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller: A Study","description":"\u201cDaisy Miller\u201d is a multi-perspective study performed by the characters, as well as the reader. Although this two opinions might collide, there is something they both agree with, Daisy is a person that is open for scrutiny. Little by little as you read deeper you find how many different faces Daisy truly has, going from an relatively educated American girl, up to a rebellious girl. The story presents a clash between the way in which Daisy behaves, and the way a young lady of her time was expected to behave.
\nAlthough some people regard Daisy as a low classer, with no regards to social manner, Winterbourne manages to see her with positive eyes, up to the point that he falls in love with her. Now one may argue that Winterbourne is just trying to be nice to the girl, lower class than his, but we can see that since the beginning he feels some attraction towards her. The moment he sees her walking toward him he thinks \u201cHow pretty they are!\u201d As the story develops, we see how Winterbourne\u2019s feelings go from the physical aspect into the emotional \u201cPoor Winterbourne was amused, perplexed, and decidedly charmed\u201d. Eventually he falls completely for her as in part two they state \u201cWinterbourne was impatient to see her again\u201d. He is eager to be with her, he feels some kind of attraction towards this newly met American girl. He somehow happens to find something attractive about her lack of refinement.
\nI partially agree with Winterbourne\u2019s point of view on Daisy, I believe that if I were to make acquaintance with Daisy Miller I would probably enjoy being with her. I really like people that are open and willing to talk about everything, and the fact that Daisy speaks of her \u201cgentlemen friends\u201d as open as if they were \u201cgirl friends\u201d which, considering the time when the story takes place, it could be taken as an aberrance; she would be going against all ideas of social behavior. That gives me another reason why to \u201clike\u201d her. Since I really don\u2019t think that what society dictates is necessarily the best or the proper thing to do. I think one should follow his or her beliefs. Another reason why I would like talking or being with her is the fact that I am realy attracted to history and the historical location. The emotion she shows towards going to the castle and how she pays attention to Winterbourne while they are on the castle reflect that she sares my interest.
\nYet there is some aspects about Daisy that certainly bother me. The fact that sometimes she is incoherent. Such as when she talks to Winterbourne and mentions the lady she met on the train, and then another lady, an American one. Who is Winterbourne supposed to know two random ladies that Daisy met on a train. Also the fact that she does not seem to be quiet. The narrator points out that her mouth and her eyes never stopped moving.
\nDaisy is in fact an interesting person who deserves some thought on. That is why its called the study. And even though everyone has their own opinion about her, I believe it can be concluded that she is one joyful young American girl.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467807","body":"Daniel,
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\nProvocative and clever as ever, but I do have a difficult time understanding (or at least relating with) the assertion that '\u201cDaisy Miller\u201d is a multi-perspective study performed by the characters'. Where so you find this? This is, unfortunately, one of a few unsubstantiated statments you make here. There are also quite a few grammatical errors and I really think that if you had answered earlier, instead of the afternoon that it was due, you might have come out better as you could have cleaned up some of these issues.
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\nNext time.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283121160","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26432951","dateCreated":"1282937496","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"caro3arias","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/caro3arias","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26432951"},"dateDigested":1531973790,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller question1 ","description":" In the story Daisy Miller: A Study an man meets a woman who makes him question what is suitable behavior for a woman of high society.
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\n As Daisy first walks up to Winterbourne, he begins to study her subtlety. Her looks and nationality catch his eye, and he comments to her brother \u201cAmerican girls are the best girls\u201d. Then he notices how she isn\u2019t quite like the other girls he has met in Switzerland. When he \u201cboldly\u201d asks her to go to the Chillon Castle with him, she doesn\u2019t blush or get offended as any proper Genevan lady would.
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\n Daisy is very pretty,direct and flirty and Winterbourne is extremely attracted to her but she puzzles him because she breaks the mold of what a high class woman should be like. His aristocratic aunt explains her unacceptability. \u201cThey are very common\u201d, she said. That is when Winterbourne starts to keep an eye out on her behavior and how she stands against the rest of the rich people at the hotel. In a way, the reader is also studying Daisy Miller because we see through Winterbourne\u2019s eyes and perspective. When Winterbourne began to examine her, I also analyzed her every move to see how it would sit with him.
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\n He noticed that even though she dressed with impeccable style, she chattered way too much to be classy. He found it odd the way she was so close to her concierge and gossiped with the chambermaid. She made comments such as \u201cI\u2019m dying to be exclusive myself. Well, we are exclusive.. We don\u2019t speak to every one- or they don\u2019t speak to us.\u201d She is clearly trying to fit into the high social class of Europe but is always a bit off. Daisy is also a bit outrageous, asking a man to take her out in a boat at night even when she is strongly advised not to.
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\n Regardless, Winterbourne is captivated by her. Even though he is always taking mental notes of how \u201ccommon\u201d she is, he wants them to spend as much time possible together, joining her for a walk at night and inviting her to Castle Chillon. He comments endlessly on her beauty and even \u201ccould have believed he was going to elope with her\u201d as he watches her walk down the stairs. Winterbourne also cares about her feelings because when Daisy\u2019s voice trembles in disappointment at one point, \u201che was touched, shocked, mortified by it\u201d.
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\n I think Daisy a bit lost as she wades into the waters of high society. She wants to be \u201cexclusive\u201d yet she doesn\u2019t yet know who she should be exclusive against because she spends too much time with her concierge. Daisy doesn\u2019t have the proper manners but she really wants to act out what is expected of her. Because she is in this halfway stage, she spills some of her confusion and uncertainty on Winterbourne.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467587","body":"Carolina,
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\nOn the plus side, I love the image of Daisy "wad[ing] into the waters of high society". I would have liked this reponse more, however, if you had posted it earlier so as to offer you an opportunity to fix some of the mistakes and clear up some of the inconsistencies. Answering the day that somethinmg is due is not enough time for me to read it, check it and write back to you. For one thing, in the future we generally write in the present tense when analysing texts.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283120445","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26430795","dateCreated":"1282933766","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"cecyrodriguez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cecyrodriguez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26430795"},"dateDigested":1531973790,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller Question Cecilia Rodriguez","description":"Winterbourne admires Daisy\u2019s beauty, is baffled by her personality and feels like they can get involved romantically.
\nThe very first time Winterbourne saw Daisy he showed a great interest and intrigue. Winterbourne was sitting in a park bench talking to Daisy\u2019s little brother when he saw her for the first time. Her beauty captivated him.
\n\u201cThey were wonderfully pretty eyes, and, indeed, Winterbourne had not seen for a long time anything prettier than her fair countrywoman\u2019s features-her complexion, her nose, her ears, her teeth.\u201d (Page 322)
\nAt first Daisy was a little shy and she didn\u2019t really show her face, but as the moment progressed Winterbourne saw her face, while she talked. Winterbourne had great enjoyment in observing a woman\u2019s beauty. He watched her and admired her every feature. They started to talk more and more. She talked about living in New York and being very social. Winterbourne listened attentively.
\n\u201cPoor Winterbourne was amused, perplexed and decidedly charmed. He had never heard a young girl express herself in such fashion\u2026 Certainly she was very charming, how deucedly sociable.\u201d (Page 324)
\nAfter spending time with Daisy, Winterbourne starts making conclusions of how she is internally. Winterbourne comes to the conclusion that she is very vivid and social. She didn\u2019t impress him much with how much wealth she had, but more how her lifestyle was currently. Winterbourne had also never met an American girl with such qualities that impressed him and left him baffled. After spending the afternoon together, Daisy proposes Winterbourne that they should go to the Chillon castle together. Winterbourne agrees happily, and Daisy convinces her mom to let them go alone. Winterbourne gets ready the next day and goes to meet her.
\n\u201cWinterbourne was a man of imagination and as our ancestors used to say, of sensibility; as he looked at her dress and, on the great staircase, her little rapid confiding step, he felt as if there were something romantic going forward.\u201d (Page 334)
\nWinterbourne sees her and his hopes go up. Winterbourne feels like he could be attached romantically to Daisy. He has hopes that this will happen too. He doesn\u2019t really care if she isn\u2019t economically powerful. He has a hope that if they\u2019re relationship continues well, they might be able to get together.
\nI think Daisy is a very interesting character. She might be spoiled and controlling, but she does get the things she wants in the end. She manipulates her mom when she convinces her to go to the castle with Winterbourne, just the two of them alone. I think that every teenager struggles a lot with convincing their parents, but Daisy shows that this is not a problem for her. She can do whatever she wants. She uses her beauty as a tool to get people to do what she wants. Like when she tells Winterbourne that they must see each other in Rome during the winter. Winterbourne agrees, because he really likes her and her looks.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467397","body":"Cecilia,
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\nThis is decent, but there are many mistakes... Please answer the question earlier in the future so that you might have time to improve your responses according to my specifications.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283119785","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26423995","dateCreated":"1282926775","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"eli-picado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/eli-picado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283475869\/eli-picado-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26423995"},"dateDigested":1531973790,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller: A Study Question","description":"Daisy Miller is a unique young lady that attracts Winterbourne\u00b4s attention from the very first conversation they shared. However Winterbourne perception of her evolves and starts getting more complex as the story advances. In their first conversation, just after they meet, Winterbourne feels attracted to her for her beauty. At the beginning, the conversation was rigid, but as they keep talking Winterbourne risks and take a glance to Daisy\u00b4s face. As he analyzes it, his embarrassing ceases and these thoughts cross his mind: \u201cThey were wonderfully pretty eyes; and, indeed, Winterbourne had not seen for a long time anything prettier than his fair countrywoman\u00b4s various features --- her complexion, her nose, her ears, her teeth,\u201d(page 322). Winterbourne sees Daisy as beautiful lady. Despite Winterbourne\u00b4s prejudice against the concept of what he calls a pretty \u201cAmerican flirt\u201d; as he gets to know more details about Daisy he starts feeling charmed by her. The way she expresses is perplexing and amusing for him, and he finds her deucedly sociable. When he goes to talk to his aunt, Mrs. Costello, she influences his way of seeing Daisy. His aunt doesn\u00b4t approve Daisy. She believes that Daisy and her family are rather vulgar and common. She criticizes Daisy\u00b4s respectability and tries to persuade Winterbourne about introducing Daisy to her. This is Winterbourne\u00b4s response: \u201cShe is completely uncultivated, but she is wonderfully pretty; and, in short, she is very nice,\u201d(page 328). Winterbourne accepts Daisy is not entirely sophisticated; however he is too curious about Daisy, and attracted to her that he just can\u00b4t stop seeing her. As Winterbourne\u00b4s friendship with Daisy continues to grow, something else is born in Winterbourne. He suddenly starts feeling the need of comforting her when she is wounded, he feels satisfied when people stare at her and of her distinguished air, and he begins to enjoy her garrulity. He also starts feeling jealousy. For example, when he acknowledge that Daisy is in Rome surrounded by men paying her their attentions, he feels the need of going straight to her, without stopping at Bologna or Florence in his way from Switzerland. But, Winterbourne jealousy increases when he meets Mr. Giovanelli. He disapproves her walks with him and he believes Mr. Giovanelli is not a real gentleman. Winterbourne gets to the point of asking Daisy to flirt with him and no one else. When she refuses, he responds: \u201cBut if you won\u00b4t flirt with me, do cease at least to flirt with your friend at the piano (Mr. Giovanelli)\u2026\u201d (page 347). Winterbourne also feels sorry about Daisy because of how society excluded her, and he feels rather annoyed because of her lack of reaction towards this. At the end of the story, after Daisy dies, Winterbourne often thought of Daisy, and feels affection for her; however he feels he was unjust with her. This is how he explains himself: \u201cShe sent me a message before her death which I didn\u00b4t understand at the time. But I have understood it since. She would have appreciated one\u00b4s esteem,\u201d (page 356). The fact that Winterbourne\u00b4s understanding is late leaves a bittersweet feeling on the reader, which is probably the same Winterbourne is left with too.
\nFrom the first chapter of the story the reader can see how Winterbourne analyzes Daisy; however his perception leaves an open window for the readers to make their own study. In my opinion Daisy is an interesting and complex character with both a positive and a negative side. She has incredible qualities as her audacity, her freshness, her honesty and her uniqueness. For example, she shows her audacity when she refuses to go in Mrs. Walker\u00b4s carriage. This is how she refuses: \u201cIf this is improper Mrs. Walker then I am all improper, and you must give me up. Good-bye; I hope you\u00b4ll have a lovely ride!\u201d (page 343). The way she answers to an older woman from higher class than herself with such a clever answer show that she is not afraid of consequences. She is really ahead of her time by being liberal and open minded in a strict conservative society. She is reckless and not afraid of what people might say about her. I think that this recklessness is what makes her such an interesting object of studying, because it\u00b4s both her strength and weakness; on one side, it is what allows her to be herself, but, on the other side, it is also what allows her to show bad qualities such as her habit of manipulating people and her abusing of her wooers. I think Daisy is definitely the kind of character worth studying.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467701","body":"There is a lot of good work put into this Ella, but I can't quite ignore some of the repeated mistakes throughout- for instance, you keep jumping between the past and the present tenses.
\nI would like it if you answered earlier than the day something is due, so as to offer you the chance to fix your errors.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283120782","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26467719","body":"Sorry Elizabeth, I called you Ella.
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283120836","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26421471","dateCreated":"1282923333","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"julibarca10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/julibarca10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1269448814\/julibarca10-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26421471"},"dateDigested":1531973790,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller Question 1","description":"
\nHonors English G.
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\nDaisy Miller: The Study
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\nFirst impressions are always important. If you give somebody a wrong impression they may easily think you are something you actually aren\u2019t, but if the person who sees you gets a \u201cgood\u201d impression of who you \u201care\u201d their mind may never change. This is what happened to Mr. Winterbourne when he met Daisy Miller. Mr. Winterbourne who comes from a very wealthy American family that is heavily based on tradition meets Daisy Miller, a Nouveau Rich, who just like her name is very young and gives an impression of being delicate and na\u00efve but we all know that we should never judge a book by its cover. When Winterbourne first meets Daisy he makes this mistake since she definitely made quite an impression.
\n\u201cShe was dressed in white muslin, with a hundred frills and flounces, and knots of pale colored ribbon. She was bare-headed; but she balanced in her hand a large parasol, with a deep border of embroidery; and she was strikingly, admirably pretty.\u201d (pg. 321)
\nThis was what Winterbourne first saw, and of course quite an impression it was, he was awe-struck with what he saw but he was even more delighted when he saw the attitude this young lady had
\n\u201cAnd in this way Miss Miller continued to converse upon the affairs of her family, and upon other topics. She sat there with her extremely pretty hands, ornamented with very brilliant rings, folded in her lap, and with her pretty eyes now resting upon those of Winterbourne, now wandering over the garden, the people who passed by, and the beautiful view. She talked to Winterbourne as if she had known him a long time.\u201d(pg. 323)
\nMr. Winterbourne was clearly blind since he only saw the outside of Daisy. Plus he was used to old-fashioned women who were very respectful and reserved, not like Daisy who would tell him everything even though they had met minutes before. He didn\u2019t pay attention to this since he was to focused on the external beauty and forgot to notice the \u201claws\u201d she was breaking and her particular way of being, he couldn\u2019t see she was just toying with him.
\n\u201c\u2019Oh I hoped you would make a fuss!\u2019 said Daisy. \u2018I don\u2019t care to go now.\u2019
\n\u2018I shall make a fuss if you don\u2019t go,\u2019 said Winterbourne
\n\u2018That\u2019s all I want \u2013 a little fuss!\u2019 And the young girl began to laugh again.
\n\u2018Mr. Randolph has gone to bed!\u2019 The courier announced, frigidly.
\n\u2018Oh, Daisy; now we can go!\u2019 said Miss Miller
\nDaisy turned away from Winterbourne, looking at him, smiling and fanning herself. \u2018Good night,\u2019 she said; \u2018I hope you are disappointed, or disgusted, or something!\u201d
\nDaisy here just plays with Winterbourne she gets him to do what she wants and yet he is not able to see what she is doing. In the end Winterbourne doesn\u2019t get to fully \u201cstudy\u201d Daisy since he never manages to get his first impression of her out of his way of thinking. Hence the fact that he has been \u201cstudying\u201d so long in Geneva.
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\n My first impression with Daisy was the same as Winterbourne\u2019s. That she was just a pretty face. As the story progresses I began to notice that Daisy was not only pretty but also she managed to use her face to manipulate men, but Henry James very wisely controlled the story in the first two chapters to hide Daisy\u2019s actions with her elaborate descriptions which made her look like an innocent young lady. In the final chapters there are no elaborate descriptions of her beauty, which allows us to see she is just a manipulative person who desperately looks for attention. \u201cThe rendezvous in this case, indeed, had been in broad daylight, and in the most crowded corner of Rome.\u201d(pg. 342) She likes to receive attention so much that she flirts with two guys at the same time at this crowded corner. I find Daisy to be very immature for this since she is just a young girl who believes this is all a game, and since she comes from one of the Nouveau Rich families she doesn\u2019t really know what the \u201csocial laws\u201d are. She just tries to do what makes her happier. This is why she goes around with many men and talks to any one from the streets not only to the higher-class men. \u201cThey seem to have made several acquaintances, but the courier continues to be the most intimate. The young lady, however, is also very intimate with some third rate Italians, with whom she rackets about in a way that has made much talk.\u201d(pg 336) In the second part of the book we see how she actually is since we don\u2019t get what has happened through Mr. Winterbourne\u2019s eyes but instead from other outer sources. When Winterbourne finally returns to Geneva after Daisy\u2019s death, he begins to make the \u201cstudy\u201d, since she made sure to leave the right impression on his mind, since she made sure he knew she wasn\u2019t engaged and in a way make him believe that she loved him and blinding his vision of what she actually was.
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\nJulian Picado
\nHonors English G.
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\nDaisy Miller: The Study
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\nFirst impressions are always important. If you give somebody a wrong impression they may easily think you are something you actually aren\u2019t, but if the person who sees you gets a \u201cgood\u201d impression of who you \u201care\u201d their mind may never change. This is what happened to Mr. Winterbourne when he met Daisy Miller. Mr. Winterbourne who comes from a very wealthy American family that is heavily based on tradition meets Daisy Miller, a Nouveau Rich, who just like her name is very young and gives an impression of being delicate and na\u00efve but we all know that we should never judge a book by its cover. When Winterbourne first meets Daisy he makes this mistake since she definitely made quite an impression.
\n\u201cShe was dressed in white muslin, with a hundred frills and flounces, and knots of pale colored ribbon. She was bare-headed; but she balanced in her hand a large parasol, with a deep border of embroidery; and she was strikingly, admirably pretty.\u201d (pg. 321)
\nThis was what Winterbourne first saw, and of course quite an impression it was, he was awe-struck with what he saw but he was even more delighted when he saw the attitude this young lady had
\n\u201cAnd in this way Miss Miller continued to converse upon the affairs of her family, and upon other topics. She sat there with her extremely pretty hands, ornamented with very brilliant rings, folded in her lap, and with her pretty eyes now resting upon those of Winterbourne, now wandering over the garden, the people who passed by, and the beautiful view. She talked to Winterbourne as if she had known him a long time.\u201d(pg. 323)
\nMr. Winterbourne was clearly blind since he only saw the outside of Daisy. Plus he was used to old-fashioned women who were very respectful and reserved, not like Daisy who would tell him everything even though they had met minutes before. He didn\u2019t pay attention to this since he was to focused on the external beauty and forgot to notice the \u201claws\u201d she was breaking and her particular way of being, he couldn\u2019t see she was just toying with him.
\n\u201c\u2019Oh I hoped you would make a fuss!\u2019 said Daisy. \u2018I don\u2019t care to go now.\u2019
\n\u2018I shall make a fuss if you don\u2019t go,\u2019 said Winterbourne
\n\u2018That\u2019s all I want \u2013 a little fuss!\u2019 And the young girl began to laugh again.
\n\u2018Mr. Randolph has gone to bed!\u2019 The courier announced, frigidly.
\n\u2018Oh, Daisy; now we can go!\u2019 said Miss Miller
\nDaisy turned away from Winterbourne, looking at him, smiling and fanning herself. \u2018Good night,\u2019 she said; \u2018I hope you are disappointed, or disgusted, or something!\u201d
\nDaisy here just plays with Winterbourne she gets him to do what she wants and yet he is not able to see what she is doing. In the end Winterbourne doesn\u2019t get to fully \u201cstudy\u201d Daisy since he never manages to get his first impression of her out of his way of thinking. Hence the fact that he has been \u201cstudying\u201d so long in Geneva.
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\n My first impression with Daisy was the same as Winterbourne\u2019s. That she was just a pretty face. As the story progresses I began to notice that Daisy was not only pretty but also she managed to use her face to manipulate men, but Henry James very wisely controlled the story in the first two chapters to hide Daisy\u2019s actions with her elaborate descriptions which made her look like an innocent young lady. In the final chapters there are no elaborate descriptions of her beauty, which allows us to see she is just a manipulative person who desperately looks for attention. \u201cThe rendezvous in this case, indeed, had been in broad daylight, and in the most crowded corner of Rome.\u201d(pg. 342) She likes to receive attention so much that she flirts with two guys at the same time at this crowded corner. I find Daisy to be very immature for this since she is just a young girl who believes this is all a game, and since she comes from one of the Nouveau Rich families she doesn\u2019t really know what the \u201csocial laws\u201d are. She just tries to do what makes her happier. This is why she goes around with many men and talks to any one from the streets not only to the higher-class men. \u201cThey seem to have made several acquaintances, but the courier continues to be the most intimate. The young lady, however, is also very intimate with some third rate Italians, with whom she rackets about in a way that has made much talk.\u201d(pg 336) In the second part of the book we see how she actually is since we don\u2019t get what has happened through Mr. Winterbourne\u2019s eyes but instead from other outer sources. When Winterbourne finally returns to Geneva after Daisy\u2019s death, he begins to make the \u201cstudy\u201d, since she made sure to leave the right impression on his mind, since she made sure he knew she wasn\u2019t engaged and in a way make him believe that she loved him and blinding his vision of what she actually was.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26421673","body":"sorry i double posted it","dateCreated":"1282923638","smartDate":"Aug 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"julibarca10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/julibarca10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1269448814\/julibarca10-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26467457","body":"Julian,
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\nThis is obviously a well-thought piece of writing- it is original, direct, clear... However, there are quite a few rhetorical glitches here, too many unsupported assertions. That is fine, but what is not fine is not posting it until the day it is due, so as to not have the opportunity to fix some issues.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283120038","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26411013","dateCreated":"1282890976","smartDate":"Aug 26, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"tammy_sev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/tammy_sev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285868666\/tammy_sev-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26411013"},"dateDigested":1531973791,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"Daisy Miller: A Study\" Question 1","description":"We are often drawn to those people who awaken our curiosity. Who knows why the reason may be, perhaps we need something to keep our minds busy. In this case, Winterbourne is not the exception; he feels intrigued by Daisy and is constantly trying to figure her out. Since the first time he saw her, Winterbourne felt an urge to meet her. From far away Daisy\u2019s looks had hypnotized him, and from that moment on she was always on his mind. The first time they met Winterbourne felt ashamed every time he talked to her, and he wondered why she didn\u2019t feel the same, \u201cThere had not been the slightest alternation in her charming complexion; she was evidently neither offended nor fluttered,\u201d (pg.322). Winterbourne can\u2019t figure this girl out. He can\u2019t get the catch of what she\u2019s feeling; he tries to read her but it is nearly impossible. Daisy is a very capricious girl, she plays around with Winterbourne all the time and this gets him a little confused. She likes to brag about the gentlemen she has met and the parties she has been, \u201c \u2018I have always had,\u201d she said, \u2018a great deal of gentlemen\u2019s society\u2019, \u201d (pg. 324). Winterbourne had never met a young woman, who expressed herself in that manner. It \u2018amused\u2019 him at first but then \u2018charmed\u2019 him, like everything about Daisy did. Winterbourne always comes back to the question of whether or not Daisy is a \u201cnice girl\u201d, he wants to believe that she is, but the evidence mainly proves the opposite. When Daisy was seeing Mr. Giovanelli, Winterbourne asked himself, \u201cWould a nice girl\u2014even allowing for her being a little American flirt\u2014make a rendezvous with a presumably low lived foreigner?\u201d (pg. 342). He would like to believe that she wasn\u2019t the type of girl who made this kind of plans, but she was, after all, impulsive. Or maybe she thought things through but gave no importance to the consequences. Either way, Winterbourne was always stuck when it came to analyzing Daisy, but in a way, that was the reason of his attraction towards her.
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\nUnlike Winterbourne, I didn\u2019t like this girl at all. She is rude and impolite, and she flirts with all men. She thinks she is able to behave however she wants to get attention, and she hurts those who try to protect her. We can see this when Winterbourne talked to her for the first time. She, \u201c\u2026 on hearing Winterbourne\u2019s observation, simply glanced at him; she turned her head and looked over the parapet, at the lake and the opposite mountains,\u201d (pg. 321). Instead of answering to Winterbourne in a polite way, Daisy turns her head away from him and ignores him in a rude manner. She also flirts with all men, like when she invited Winterbourne to go to visit her in Rome, she said \u201c \u2018I don\u2019t want you to come for your aunt\u2019 \u2026 \u2018 I want you to come for me\u2019,\u201c (pg. 336). Daisy wanted Winterbourne to like her, even if in the future his love wouldn\u2019t be corresponded. Later on, when Mrs. Walker told her to get back in the carriage she didn\u2019t obey and instead crudely answered, \u201c \u2018I never heard anything so stiff! If this is improper, Mrs. Walker,\u2019 she pursued, \u2018then I am all improper and you must give me up.\u201d (pg. 343). Mrs. Walker was only trying to evade future misunderstandings towards Daisy\u2019s behavior. But instead she got disrespected and ignored. Maybe there is a \u201cnice\u201d part of Daisy that I am not seeing, but \u2018your actions define you\u2019 and hers are not looking pretty good.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467259","body":"Tamara,
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\nI want you to answer earlier next time because this is rather good- the best part is the originality of your voice- and if you could have changed the few things I wanted you to (e.g., write your analysis in the present tense) I would happily have given you 100%.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283119296","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26410727","dateCreated":"1282888895","smartDate":"Aug 26, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"luisuarez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/luisuarez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1302804674\/luisuarez-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26410727"},"dateDigested":1531973791,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller Question 1 ","description":"In the short story \u201cDaisy Miller\u201d an insight of the 1800\u2019s culture is seen, but it is seen through the eyes of Winterbourne, a wealthy American. The story, entitled Daisy Miller: A Study, suggests that this book will study the character of Daisy Miller. This is exactly what the book does, for example; throughout the story, Winterbourne meticulously analyzes the behavior of Daisy Miller, for he is intrigued at such an interesting and mysterious character. An example of Winterbourne carefully analyzing Daisy Miller is in the beginning of the novel, in which he first meets Daisy. The narrator of the story, which bases its opinions and views on the vision of Winterbourne, says \u201cThere had not been the slightest alteration in her charming complexion; she was evidently neither offended nor fluttered. If she looked another way when she spoke to her, and seemed not particularly to hear him, this was simply her habit\u201d (pg 322). This demonstrates that Winterbourne is attentively seeing any habit and behavior that Daisy Miller has, for it describes her actions under certain circumstances, therefore analyzing her. Another example in the book that shows that Winterbourne is trying to comprehend Daisy Miller is \u201cWinterbourne wondered whether she was seriously wounded, and for a moment almost wished that her sense of injury might be such as to make it becoming in him to attempt to reassure and comfort her\u201d (pg 330). This quote suggests that Winterbourne goes far beneath a superficial approach to Daisy, and he even take notice in her feelings and manner. The past two quotes propose that the eponymous of the short story is that way because of the approach onto Daisy Miller, for it is basically a complete search on feeling and behavior.
\nIn the other hand, throughout the story we can notice Winterbourne\u2019s perspective on Daisy, and how it changes through a lapse of time. For example, in the beginning of the story Winterbourne sees Daisy as someone that can be interesting, as said by the narrator \u201cShe talked to Winterbourne as if she had known him for a long time. He found it very pleasant. It was many years since he heard a young girl talk so much\u201d (pg 324). This quote clearly shows that Winterbourne thinks that she is an interesting woman, and that she might be someone fine. But as the story progresses, we see that this opinion of her changes\u201d\u2026the ambiguity of Daisy\u2019s behavior and the riddle had become easy to read. She was a young lady whom gentlemen need no longer be at pains to respect\u201d (pg 353). The quote reflects that Daisy had become so predictable, that men lost respect for her. The contrast between these two quotes is evident; in one it expresses Winterbourne\u2019s interests, while in the other it clearly shows that she has lost all respect from gentlemen. By showing this it is evident that Winterbourne admires Daisy Miller in some aspects, but in general he despises her; for she acts by her own will and doesn\u2019t want to listen to others.
\nFinally, I think that Daisy Miller is an interesting character that is worth while studying. I think that Daisy is a character that is purely emotional-based, for she is very temperamental and emotional. For example, in the party of Mrs. Walker\u2019s party, when she\u2019s talking to Winterbourne and leaving with Giovanelli, she violates a \u201csocial norm\u201d, and her response was that \u201cDaisy turned away, looking with a pale, grave face at the circle near the door; Winterbourne saw that, for the first moment, she was too much shocked and puzzled even for indignation\u201d (pg 348). As stated earlier, it demonstrates that Daisy does have sentiments, or even a slight clue of it, but she does express it throughout the story. Daisy Miller shows that she only cares about her feelings, she is purely ego-centric; Daisy \u201cuses\u201d men to draw attention, but in the end this \u201cattention\u201d turn out to be his condemnation.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467191","body":"Luis,
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\nI recognize the quality of your thoughts here, but there realyy are many grammatical mistakes. I would suggest that you respond earlier next time so as to have time to fix the errors.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283119070","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26410187","dateCreated":"1282885754","smartDate":"Aug 26, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ad.ri","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ad.ri","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283992059\/ad.ri-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26410187"},"dateDigested":1531973791,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daisy Miller Q. 1","description":"Since the first time Winterbourne sets eyes on Daisy he is amazed and drawn to her. Sitting in the garden of the \u201cTrois Couronnes\u201d, Winterbourne notices a young pretty lady walking towards the boy in front of him and can\u00b4t help but think, \u201cHow pretty they are!\u201d(321). On closer inspection he realizes he hasn\u2019t seen \u201cfor a long time anything prettier than his fair countrywoman\u00b4s various features- her complexion, her nose, her ears, her teeth,\u201d (322). Yet, her looks are not the only thing that draws him to Daisy, for her careless nature also makes a good impression on him. From the beginning of their relationship he takes courage to talk to her because he \u201cperceives that she was not in the least embarrassed herself,\u201d (322). She is spontaneous and cares not what others think of her ideas. Winterbourne discovers this one weird night, in which his dear Daisy asks to be taken by boat to Chillon at eleven o\u00b4clock. \u201cI suppose you don\u2019t think it\u00b4s proper!\u201d (333) Daisy exclaims when Euginio protests to her going out at that particular hour of the night. Even though this plan isn\u00b4t fulfilled, I have no doubts she would have carried it through. That very night, Winterbourne\u00b4s curiosity about her grows even more. After the little fuss about her night activity, she gives up her idea and bids Winterbourne good night, while hoping he feels disappointed or disgusted. However, he is only confused about the change of mind and what she meant by all the fuss. All in all Daisy, with her prettiness and personality, leaves Winterbourne dumbfounded and with the desire to be with her.
\n In my opinion, I don\u2019t find Daisy half as wonderful as Winterbourne describes her. In fact I think she\u00b4s superficial and haughty, childish and thoughtless. During her first conversation with Winterbourne she mentions the lack of pretty dresses in Europe, while inspecting her flounces and smoothing her ribbons, \u201cI am sure they send the pretty ones to America; you see the most frightful things here,\u201d (324). For such a careless girl she worries about her appearance too much. During that same conversation she brags about her gentlemen friends, who gave her 3 out of the seventeen dinners given to her last winter. I also consider talking about her gentlemen friends in front of another interested gentleman is very thoughtless of her. Later on, when they are both in Italy, Daisy ruins her reputation for thoughtlessly walking around Pincio between two men such as Winterbourne and Mr. Goivanelli. Mrs. Walker, a close friend of hers, even warns her that she will lose the respect of many people if she continued to be reckless. However, all Daisy says is, \u201cIf this is improper, Mrs. Walker, then I am all improper, and you must give me up. Good-bye,\u201d (343-344). She walks off leaving her good reputation behind. Her childishness can be seen when Winterbourne meets her for the first time in Italy. She asks why he hadn\u2019t visited her, and when his answer disappoints her, she goes directly to Mrs. Walker to tell her how mean Winterbourne is. Even though the point of view comes from one who likes her, Daisy may be disliked by what she does that the character dismisses with some feeble excuse.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467105","body":"Thanks for answering,
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\nI think that this could have used some revision... I think that you might try to answer a bit earlier next time so as to give yourself that chance.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283118871","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26409911","dateCreated":"1282884503","smartDate":"Aug 26, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"gmurphy3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gmurphy3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26409911"},"dateDigested":1531973791,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Grace Murphy, Daisy Miller Question 1","description":"In Daisy Miller: A Study we learn about all the characters from Winterbourne\u2019s point of view. We see them as he perceives them. From the minute Winterbourne sees Daisy Miller in Vevey, he is intrigued by her. When he first sees her, he is in awe over her beauty. He notices every detail of her physical appearance, from her clothing to her facial features. \u201cHe had a great relish for feminine beauty; he was addicted to observing and analyzing it.\u201d (pg 322) As he starts to talk with Daisy and her brother, he notices small habits and gestures she makes while conversing. It is almost as if Daisy is a piece of data and Winterbourne is trying to find out everything he possibly can by examining her every move. As Winterbourne is listening to Daisy talk about herself, he is learning more about who they are. Its like Daisy is a book. Before, he was just seeing the cover, but now that he is reading it he is finding out about the inside. \u201cShe talked to Winterbourne as if she had known him a long time. He found it very pleasant. It was many years since he heard a young girl talk so much.\u201d (pg 324) Winterbourne notices that she is very sociable and loves to talk. She is not like most girls that Winterbourne knows. While he is absolutely charmed by her, he is still a bit perplexed. Winterbourne calls Daisy an \u201cunsophisticated American flirt.\u201d This shows that Winterbourne has taken into account that she is of a lower class than he. By calling her unsophisticated, he has noticed that she is uneducated and a bit immature by listening to her talk. Although Winterbourne has just met Daisy, he knows much more about her than someone who does not pay attention to small details. Instead of just hearing her, he listens intently. Instead of just looking at her, he sees who she is through her actions.
\nWhen Winterbourne talks about Daisy to his aunt, Mrs. Costello, he gets more information about her through someone else\u2019s eyes. By listening to his aunt\u2019s tone when he mentions Daisy he infers that she does not think highly of them. She says that they are very common people and she remarks on Daisy\u2019s intimate relationship with the courier. While Winterbourne is listening to his aunt complain about Daisy and her family, he does not lose his respect and admiration for Daisy. He defends her every time Mrs. Costello puts her down. \u201c \u2018Ah, you are cruel!\u2019 said the young man. \u2018She\u2019s a very nice girl.\u2019 \u201d While Winterbourne still has an affection for Daisy, he is not in complete denial that she is of a rather low class. He describes her as uncultivated but very pretty and very nice. His statement shows that Winterbourne may be a bit too fascinated with Daisy\u2019s looks. Daisy is the type of girl who uses her beauty to get her way. This makes her feel like she can act however she wants because her looks make up for it. She is unbelievably rude to Winterbourne when he takes her out on the boat. She calls him horrid because he had to return to Geneva, completely disregarding the fact that he took the time to take her out that day.
\nI think that Daisy Miller is far too used to getting her own way. From her mother, to Winterbourne, and later Giovanelli, everyone gives her exactly what she wants. This habit of hers ends up being fatal. She is also extremely ignorant and very impolite. She makes a spectacle of herself where ever she goes. She thinks that because she is pretty, she can act however she wants. While there are many flaws in her character, I do admire one trait she has. She does not let other people\u2019s gossip affect her and she doesn\u2019t mind what other people think.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26467069","body":"Not bad Grace,
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\nGenerally, when we reference a short story we use quotation marks in the title (i.e., "Daisy Miller: A Study").
\nI also feel that there are a couple of statments here that you have not thoroughly supported. Next time, I think that you should answer earlier so that you can have more tim eto fix youru answer.
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\nOverall, however, pretty good.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283118724","smartDate":"Aug 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}