{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26633119","dateCreated":"1283483765","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"danielx_184","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/danielx_184","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26633119"},"dateDigested":1531973871,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"How it feels to be colored me...","description":"Mr. Webster I was looking for my wiki and i figured that I posted it as class B when it should be class G. But here it is:
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\nThe New Dress by Virginia Woolf, and How it Feels To Be Colored Me, By Zora Neal Hurson are two short stories that narrate a story of a given lady and certain challenges that come across.
\nIn the first case we encounter Mabel. She is invited over to a party and she decides to wear a dress that has taken lots of time and effort to confection; a dress that she had found to be gallant and perfect for the occasion. Yet when she reaches her destination she begins to feel that it isn\u2019t right. That she doesn\u2019t look good on it, and that she is too out of fashion. This helps to show her eminent insecurity. Instead of accepting the fact and moving on she gets stuck in the moment and worries too much that the dress is somehow wrong. She feels like everyone is talking about her and how out of fashion she looks. Every comment directed to her about it makes her feel bad, and even when a lady points out it is the perfect skirt, Mabel\u2019s satisfaction is not able to surpass the limits of her own pitiful confinement.
\nOn the other end, in How It feels to be Colored Me, there is a totally different character who happens to be a black girl in a black town. She contrary to the other people is not afraid of the white men and women. She thinks of them to be equal, for they were all created by the same omnipotent being \u201cGreat Stuffer of Bags\u201d She is completely self confident. She does not care what others think or say about her. Even when she goes to Jacksonville and realize she does not belong she moves on with it. She is herself and not what people necessarily want her to be. She goes against all ideas of the relationship between blacks and whites. She is aware that she is black but she is not ashamed of it, for she believes that they are all the same, Indians, blacks, Asians and whites.
\nPairing this stories up can be considered as an eminent success since they are able to offer a variant view of the situation this women are living. There is a person that is relatively wealthy, which is shown through the exquisite description of her dress, but that when it comes to dealing with social problems is completely affected by what others think. She is incredibly insecure. Oppositely the other lady shows no sign of wealth but yet she is able to hustle her way through regardless of what other people think. She is black, and put up with whites, though she is proud of who she is and that gives her security. It shows the reader how sometimes we get so overworked by simple things, for the dress is something that can simply be taken of; and how sometimes the bigger things affect us less if we keep positive, because the color of your skin is nothing you can change.
\nNow why would they be asked to be read when their situations and problematic are complete opposites? Well paring this stories up allows the reader infer about the way of life women had on this time and see how each one of them dealt with the situation. Subsequently it permits the reader to create criteria towards what they should do on their personal life. Should they concentrate on what other people think? And therefore allow estrangers to shape who they are? Or should they just move on and be the writers on the stories of their lives?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26644665","body":"Daniel,
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\n1) 'to confection'- generally, in English, the suffix of '-ion' implies a noun, not a verb. Here you are using it as a verb. What might be a better conjugation?
\n2) I am not sure that the word 'eminent' is used well here.
\n3) 'Pairing this stories'... see the problem here? And 'this women'? and 'There is a person that is relatively wealthy,'? and 'should do on their personal life'?
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\nOK, and my real question. Why no references, examples or quotes? These things are not trivial; without them your argument can easily deflate. For instance, I do not agree at all that Mabel's dress is "shown through the exquisite description", but if you could point out in the text where it says so, or at least where an inference might be made, well then I would be happy to be wrong.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283525120","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26624997","dateCreated":"1283472042","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"maaayyyaaa","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/maaayyyaaa","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222817730\/maaayyyaaa-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26624997"},"dateDigested":1531973871,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Colored Me & Dresses","description":"Zora Neal Hurston\u2019s \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d and Virginia Woolf\u2019s \u201cThe New Dress\u201d both outline two outlooks on life by two women from the same time period.
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\nAs different as they may appear, the two characters in these narratives are both faced with similar challenges. It is the manner in which they each respond to their circumstances in which they differ. Zora is a young black woman in post-Reconstruction United States. She faces racial discrimination. She has not chosen her story, and nor can she alter it in any way\u2014but she can, and does, change her attitude towards it. Rather than deny the ineluctable racism of others around her, why not embrace her colored self? Zora does not linger around, mourning those who have gone before her, drenching herself with self-pity. There is no \u201cgreat sorrow dammed up in [her] soul.\u201d She belongs in the present, not the past, and knows that the \u201cworld is to the strong regardless of a little pigmentation more or less.\u201d She possesses an infrangible desire to be one of the strong. The style of her writing also lends itself to this strength. Her sentences are succinct, powerful, and bleeding with elucidatory colors. She uses vivid metaphors\u2014\u201cI am off to a flying start and I must not halt in the stretch to look behind and weep\u2026 I am a dark rock surged upon, and overswept, but through it all, I remain myself.\u201d Her words are raw emotions, yet they move from one to the next with a rhythm reminiscent of a stream.
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\nMabel from \u201cThe New Dress\u201d faces a similar conflict. Her whole life, Mabel has felt inferior to others. \u201cIt was her own appalling inadequacy; her cowardice; her mean, water-sprinkled blood that depressed her.\u201d The text hints that Mabel is not as financially endowed as the others at the party, and this may be the cause of her emotions. The yellow dress epitomizes this inadequacy. \u201cShe could not face the whole horror\u2014the pale yellow, idiotically old-fashioned silk dress\u2026 that looked so charming in the fashion book, but not on her.\u201d She seeks out pity from others, as well as herself, to feel better. \u201c \u2018I feel like some dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly,\u2019 she said, making Robert Haydon stop just to hear her say that.\u201d Just like in \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me,\u201d the style of writing reflects Mabel\u2019s character. The sentences are rambling and awkward, going off on tangents. It is written in the way Mabel thinks.
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\nBoth women from the narratives face similar challenges and insecurities about themselves. However, they both embrace their problems in completely different ways. Mabel stands upon a haphazard pile built from other people\u2019s compliments, while Zora stands on a carefully built mountain of her own confidence. Each narrative juxtaposes the other, and when paired together, we are exposed to two distinctive ways to look at life.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26644021","body":"Maya,
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\nFirstly, you have capitalized on one of the great ticks of persuasive... asking a rhetorical question and answering it to affirm or maximize your point ("why not embrace her colored self? Zora does not linger around, mourning those who have gone before her, drenching herself with self-pity"). Good stuff. Also, love the use of the word 'drenching'.
\nI especially love your apposite use of $5 words here... this is one of the more difficult tasks in expressing ourselves- using words both wisely and liberally, moving beyond the expected lexicon yet conveying clear, focused ideas.
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\nReally nice work, Maya, and thanks for really looking at the words used in each text.
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283524171","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26588993","dateCreated":"1283399197","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Ingrid89","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ingrid89","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1228179242\/Ingrid89-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26588993"},"dateDigested":1531973871,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"wisely paired stories","description":"Both of these stories contain stereotypes of different kinds, hence it creates a logical resemblance between them. Each of these girls has a label, in which they have no say at all into what it is. In How it feels to be colored me, for instance, Zora is labeled as a black girl. During this time, colored people have less rights; and therefore are treated inferior. She, other than being inferior among the black community since \u00a8[ she] is the only Negro in the United States whose grandfather on the mother\u00b4s side was not an Indian chief,\u201d is inferior among the whites. They see the colored people as if they were a completely different \u2018specie\u2019.\u00a8White people [differ] from colored people\u00a8, Zora expresses, since the whites are the ones staring at the colored people whenever they can get a glimpse. Blacks, during this Jim Crow era, are being discriminated. The stereotype fits quite well with the black community that Zora has the chance to spend time with. The only problem with the judgmental stereotype is that Zora doesn\u2019t feel angry when she is being discriminated against. Instead, \u00a8 [i]t merely astonishes [her].\u00a8 Zora, instead of letting white people stare and diminish her, she stares right back at them. As the whites pass through town, she \u201c[doesn\u2019t only] enjoy the show\u201d, but she talks to the people and lets them be aware she is watching them from above, instead of hiding behind the curtains, as her friends do. Zora, by exposing herself to the whites and there society proves to be completely different from her colored colleagues; but different in a good way. She sees no need to feel discriminated upon, since she, being different, fits in within every group; being white or black.
\n In The new dress, Mabel, as well as Zora, has a label in society. She, being white and rich, is supposed to be confident and `perfect`; she is supposed to set an example to society, in which the rich are the ones being looked up on, as they have it all. The rest of Mabel\u00b4s concomitants are precisely like the sterotype set for them; rich, white, and perfectly gorgeous. Mabel expresses seeing \u00a8a beautiful woman\u00a8, something Mabel doesn`t seem to think of herself, and therefore goes contrary with the stereotype difined by her ethnicit group. Mabel \u00a8could not be fashionable\u00a8; she doesn\u00b4t believe she can be as beautiful, therefore, like Zora, is going against her set stereotype.
\n Both of these stories are wisely paired since Zora, being set in a black sterreotype, is assumed to have no self confidence or saying, since the blacks have been discriminated upon. She, as well as Mabel, goes inimical into what society has proposed and pre-determined for her. Zora doesn\u00b4t feel disincouraged or angry at being discriminated against, but on the contrary, recieves profit from it and plays with the situation, and therefore is satisfied. Mabel, from what the reader can assume, should be very classy and confident, due to her wealth. She, as well as Zora, is completely the opposite, since Mabel is diffident into how she looks at the party which she attends, feeling completely out of place.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26643409","body":"Ingrid,
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\nGreat ideas... thoughtful and against-the-grain as they say... I partucuarly enjoyed the original approach you take towards Mabel. There are, however, some egregious mechanical errors here which cloud the quality of your ideas... I would like to focus on that this week...
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\n1)Can we fix up this jumble of words: "Each of these girls has a label, in which they have no say at all into what it is." The last few words is a bit messy, too many verbs and pronouns. Iron this out by explicating what "it" actually "is"...
\n2) Find out the conventional way to punctuate short stories.
\n3)What is wrong with the conjugations here: "therefore are treated inferior..." Remember, 'treated' is a verb, so you must modify the adjective inferior to fit with a verb, not a noun... What could be the best way?
\n4) "Blacks, during this Jim Crow era, are being discriminated." We need to follow the verb discriminated with a preposition... which is the best? upon? to? no no no. I would say 'against' is the better word choice here.
\n5)problem here? "...and there society proves..."
\n6) we have two prepositional errors here... can you identify them? "she is supposed to set an example to society, in which the rich are the ones being looked up on,..."
\n7) Some words in which I have trouble quite understanding in the used context: 'concomitants', 'saying','inimical', 'diffident'
\n8)Are the following actually words? "disincouraged ", "difined", "ethnicit"
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283523303","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26664841","body":"1) "Each of these girls has a label, in which they have no say at all into what it is."
\n-\u201cEach of these girls has a label put upon them, in which they have no say into whether they will go with or against it; they just have to accept it.\u201d
\n2) Find out the conventional way to punctuate short stories.
\nI don\u2019t quite understand what you mean here, or what I should do.
\n3) What is wrong with the conjugations here: "therefore are treated inferior..." Remember, 'treated' is a verb, so you must modify the adjective inferior to fit with a verb, not a noun... What could be the best way?
\n- \u201ctherefore are treated with inferiority\u201d
\n4) "Blacks, during this Jim Crow era, are being discriminated." We need to follow the verb discriminated with a preposition... which is the best? upon? to? no no no. I would say 'against' is the better word choice here.
\n- \u201cBlacks, during this Jim Crow era, are being discriminated against.\u201d
\n5) problem here? "...and there society proves..."
\n\u201c\u2026and there society infers\u2026\u201d
\n6) \u201cshe is supposed to set an example in society, in which the rich are the ones being looked up at\/to.
\n7) Some words in which I have trouble quite understanding in the used context: 'concomitants', 'saying','inimical', 'diffident'
\nI tried to vary the different words to not be so repetitive, but I guess it didn\u2019t work as well as I expected.
\nConcomitants means, as a noun, like a consort, a friend, or just a companion, hence I tried to explain that her \u2018friends\u2019 or people of a similar social class went along real well with their stereotype.
\nSaying, in this text, meant as in option, or voice among the whites. Whites were superior at that time, therefore so were their beliefs.
\nInimical means contrary, antagonistic, and opposing. And diffident means like reserved, or shy; uncertain and insecure.
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\n8) Are the following actually words? "disincouraged ", "difined", "ethnicit"
\nEtnicit was meant to be ethnic, sorry.
\nDifined: defined
\nDisincouraged: discouraged
\nSorry about that!
\nWould you like me to re-do and modify this wiki post? Or is it ok with just the corrections I am making right now?","dateCreated":"1283563236","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Ingrid89","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ingrid89","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1228179242\/Ingrid89-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26582625","dateCreated":"1283387331","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"tammy_sev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/tammy_sev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285868666\/tammy_sev-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26582625"},"dateDigested":1531973872,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"How it feels to be colored me\" and \"The new Dress\"","description":"At first sight \u201cThe New Dress\u201d by Virginia Woolf and \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d by author Zora Neale Hurston, could be considered opposites, because of the stories plots, characters personalities, among other things like social status, and race but in depth we can see some similarities.
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\nPrejudice, for example, is a theme that appears in both stories, even though it is more visible in one than the other. In \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d the author is constantly being discriminated by white people who make assumptions about her, because of her race. \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves,\u201d (pg. 938). Segregation was a phenomenon that had a great impact in the U.S. at this time. In this story we can see the changes between two different places, one where there is a lack of white people and their society is mainly black, and the other that is the complete opposite. This quote shows us the types of stereotypes that the people at Jacksonville put on black individuals. In \u201cThe New Dress\u201d Mabel believes that the other people at the party are judging her dress. She thinks, \u201cfor oh these men, oh these women all were thinking \u2018 What\u2019s Mabel wearing? What a fright she looks! What a hideous new dress!\u2019 \u201c(pg. 51). Although not as direct as in \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d prejudice is also a theme in this story, even if most of it is in Mabel\u2019s head. She feels insecure about her dress and in her mind people view her as ridiculous for her choice of wardrobe.
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\nPrejudice is not the only similarity these two stories have, the ways they are told make them resemble one another. Both stories focus more on identifying the character than making a story itself. \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d shows us that Zora is a strong confident girl that doesn\u2019t feel bad for being black, she actually feels proud about it. \u201cI am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind it at all, \u201c (pg. 938). Throughout the story Zora shows us that she doesn\u2019t worry about discrimination, that she doesn\u2019t feel less than others, and that she is proud of who she is. On the other hand in \u201cThe new dress\u201d Mabel feels insecure about her dress and herself. \u201c \u2018 I feel like some dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly\u2019, \u201c (pg.53). By the way she describes herself we can see her insecurity, she also fears what others may think of her and is constantly underrating herself. This proves a certain similarity between the two stories, but in a general term these characters personalities repel, because of their vast disparities. Mabel is a regretful lady with no self confidence while Zora is a sarcastic African American that is proud of who she is.
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\nI think that the reason of assigning this two stories at the same time was probably so we could see that even in stories that seem to come from two different worlds, the themes that the authors include and the way of writing of each can be quite similar.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26623407","body":"Tamara,
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\nIf I don't like someone's dress or hat, is that really a good example of prejudice? Perhaps we should consider looking up the definition again and re-considering it in terms of the Woolfe story.
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\nBasically, you answered the question adequately, but I feel like you can go further with your analysis. I would like you, next time, to dig deeper and explore less superficial themes. I think that we could move you in this direction.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283469959","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26581465","dateCreated":"1283385626","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"helojello","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/helojello","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26581465"},"dateDigested":1531973872,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Zora and Mabel question Heloisa","description":"One would assign both \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d and \u201cThe new dress\u201d on the same week to show completely different points of view and different ways of narrative writing. In \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d, Zora is a confident girl who only talks about her good side, about the good things that happen to her, while Mabel from \u201cThe new dress\u201d is an extremely insecure girl who only thinks about how ugly she is and how she always looks awful. It shows how diverse people can be, and how there are extremes. On one side there is an over confident girl who needs to tell herself how great she is, while on the other is a girl who has no confidence whatsoever and needs to stop putting herself down so much. With these two different narratives one can see that it is very easy to have two completely different girls with different personalities that make you want to know more.
\n The stories were definitely nicely paired. When one reads \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d, one can see how great it can be to be confident. Zora is extremely confident in herself and completely sarcastic, whilst Mabel is completely different. Mabel passes the impression that she hates herself, and hates the way the way she looks and acts. She also hates the fact that everyone else looks pretty and perfect while she\u2019s just plain and ugly. Zora on the other hand, believes that she is great and that people would be wrong to not like her, and not want to talk to her. This way, you can see a contrast between two different girls, with different backgrounds, that are in a way connected. Even though Zora puts this brave face on, when bad things have happened to her, such as her mother\u2019s death.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26581487","body":"i'm not done yet, i'm still figuring out how i want to end it.","dateCreated":"1283385647","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"helojello","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/helojello","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26623223","body":"Questions, Heloisa:
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\nIs 'girl' really the most fitting description for Mabel?
\nHow do we properly capitalize the titles of short stories?
\nWould an "over-confident girl" really need "to tell herself how great she is"?
\nWhy do you speak of 'narrative' in the first paragraph when you are mainly explaining what the characters are feeling and not how they are expressing it?
\nWhy do you keep giving us ideas about the stories (what happened, etc.) yet you don't provide examples?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283469640","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26625129","body":"Mr. Webster
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\nI reread my response when I got home and I really didn't like it, so I wrote a new one (hopefully better as well).
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\n Both stories are about how there are so many sides to a person. In \u201cHow It Feels To Be Colored Me\u201d, the character is expressed as daring and confident, while in \u201cThe New Dress\u201d the character is revealed as negative and insecure. The two stories are about completely different personalities. To show what each character is like, the authors describe them and their actions. For example to describe the confident Zora, \u201cSometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny themselves the pleasure of my company? It\u2019s beyond me.\u201d (983). To describe the feeble Mabel, it says, \u201cIt was her own appalling inadequacy; her cowardice; her mean, water-sprinkled blood depressed her.\u201d (51). The two stories are very nicely paired since they share a very important theme.
\n They both have this idea of showing extremes. Zora is extremely self-confident, while Mabel brings herself down all the time; she even compares herself to a \u201cdowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly.\u201d (53). Although Zora is confident on the outside; it\u2019s just an act. She hides behind her confidence so she isn\u2019t seen as weak or insecure. She wants people to think she\u2019s tough, especially with all her sarcastic comments. \u201c\u2026except the fact that I am the only Negro in the United States whose grandfather on the mother\u2019s side was not an Indian chief.\u201d (982). Zora and Mabel go completely against their stereotypes. Zora is black, and therefore is supposed to be less daring and diminutive, while Mabel has money, and is supposed to be more confident and enjoy the fact that she has that money.
\n What makes these stories nice to read together, is that through the text you get to see two different personalities. Both stories use a lot of description to show what the characters are like, and both stories have examples of how the characters interact with the world around them. Zora is portrayed as bold, while Mabel is portrayed as timid and self-degrading. Their personalities show extremes, and it doesn\u2019t hide the fact that they realize that. Zora views people as just someone else, regardless of color or age, while Mabel feels that everyone is superior to her, both in looks and wealth. Mabel feels that no matter how hard she tries, she will never fit in with the society she lives around, while Zora feels that she is the one who is superior, she is the one that they will want to talk to. Zora is open to hearing people\u2019s opinion, while Mabel can\u2019t react well to what people think of her, she has a need to prove herself to other people. The stories are paired nicely since one can see how different two people can react to different environments.","dateCreated":"1283472181","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"helojello","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/helojello","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26644287","body":"Well done, Heloisa,
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\nAnd thanks for the fortitude in going back and re-doing this. This is adequate- the writing is clear and you made your point nicely. I'm going to, however, next week, expect more from you... More? well, what I mean is less pedestrian and expected ideas, more risky and adventurous, unique analysis. Don't go for the obvious or the easy answer- take a risk in what you think, perhaps, tell me that Zora is self-hating and Mabel as confident as a happy clam and, perhaps, there might be some holes , poor logic or side-stepping in such a proposal, but we can iron that stuff out together.
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\nThanks, Heloisa,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283524554","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26580661","dateCreated":"1283384430","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"teagvest","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/teagvest","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26580661"},"dateDigested":1531973872,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Teag Vest- Honors G Question 1","description":"
\n The two short stories are both about a single character and how they react in the face of adversity. They were wisely paired because they illustrate two very different characters with a common theme. One is fearless and bold (\u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d) and the other is pessimistic, boring, and self-degrading (\u201cThe New Dress\u201d). The two stories are about complete opposite personalities. In order to write about one in specific, the author is required to employ different techniques of writing. For example, to demonstrate a bold character, such as Zora in \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d, the author highlights her positive aspects and traits. She does not \u201cweep at the world- [she is] too busy sharpening [her] oyster knife\u201d (Hurston 983). On the other hand, like Mabel in \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, the author must put forth her negative qualities to describe a pessimistic character: \u201cIt was her own appalling inadequacy; her cowardice; her mean, water sprinkled blood that depressed her\u201d (Woolf 51).
\n Although there are several reasons one would assign these two stories together, the most likely is that one saw a variety of similarities in use of language, writing technique, and theme. The theme of reactions to public scrutiny is the same in both short stories, as is the fact that both stories describe a type of personality. Both stories describe each character\u2019s thoughts and philosophies as well as actions. Zora was very outgoing: when most Negroes would not interact with Northern whites, \u201cIt [was] clear that [she] was the first \u2018welcome-to-our-state\u2019 Floridian\u201d (Hurston 983), whereas Mabel\u2019s social ineptness is shown in the way that she \u201c\u2018[Felt] like some dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly\u2019\u201d (Woolf 53). Although the two characters have opposite personalities, it is the fact that they are described that ties the two stories.
\nThey are described in several ways: adjectives, and, as stated before, thoughts, actions and philosophies. Both stories use many words to detail physical as well as intellectual traits. Both provide examples of what the protagonist thinks about what is happening around them and how they act according to it. Both exemplify the characters\u2019 philosophies and what they see of the world and other people. Zora saw the people around her simply as another person, someone with whom she could act freely and not be ashamed. To her, they were friends. After all, \u201c[h]ow [could] anyone deny themselves the pleasure of [her] company? It [was] beyond [her]\u201d (Hurston 985). On the other hand, Mabel saw people as far superior to herself, a class in which she never could induct herself. \u201c[T]he sense she had had, ever since she was a child, of being inferior to other people- set upon her, relentlessly, remorselessly\u201d (Woolf 51). Mabel did not have the strength that Zora had to react well to others\u2019 opinions. This was another thing that made the two stories appropriate when assigned together.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26619441","body":"Teag,
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\nYou mention that "both stories use many words to detail physical as well as intellectual traits", yet I am looking for some examples.I like that you (unlike most others) brought up style, voice, vocabulary in your response, but I need some evidence to support your assertions. Which adjectives exactly are you alluding to?
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\nCould you answer these questions?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283463128","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26580409","dateCreated":"1283383938","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ad.ri","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ad.ri","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283992059\/ad.ri-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26580409"},"dateDigested":1531973872,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Virginia Woolf and Zora Neale Hurston","description":"Hurston\u00b4s How It Feels to Be Colored Me and Woolf\u00b4s The New Dress have been assigned the same week. What does it mean, though? One wouldn\u2019t usually ask this question, but when challenged to delve into the reason, the way these two authors express themselves stands out to most people. In order to portray these peculiar characters, their minds unlock the hidden ideas and qualms of the characters to the world. In Mabel\u00b4s case, from The New Dress, her fears \u201cof being inferior to other people [are] set upon her, relentlessly, remorselessly, with an intensity which she could not beat off\u2026\u201d (51) when she arrives at Mrs. Barnet\u2019s, who, \u201cpassing her the mirror\u2026 and drawing her attention\u2026 to all the appliances for tidying and improving hair, complexion, [and] clothes\u2026, confirmed the suspicion\u201d(51): her dress is preposterous. On the other hand, Zora reveals her unusual way of thinking and expressing herself. Though she is black and constantly reminded of it, she doesn\u2019t let that slow her down. As she says, \u201cSometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny the pleasure of my company? It\u00b4s beyond me,\u201d (985). Very different views of the world are expressed, yet the way they are expressed is parallel: they both focus on the character\u2019s psychology.
\nHurston and Woolf set their characters in social environment, in which they seem to unearth the dire side of society. As a young black girl, Zora\u00b4s naivety hinders her to realize that she was under stereotyping. When the white tourists passing by asked to \u201chear [her] \u201cspeak pieces\u201d and sing and wanted to see [her] dance the parse-me-la\u201d her innocent mind didn\u2019t register that she was being victim of stereotyping. As she grows she learns what it is to be a colored girl in a white environment and that \u201csomeone is always at [her] elbow reminding [her] that [she is] the granddaughter of slaves\u201d (983). However, she decides not to let her skin determine who she is. On the other hand, we have the self-doubting Mabel, whose society has high expectations of her and which, in her true anxious self, she questions her ability to reach. The pressure her socialites lay on her accumulates her nervousness, leaving her feeling like \u201csome dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly,\u201d (53). Sitting by a corner, Mabel notices Mrs. Holman approach, palpably \u201cbarking and flapping [her] wings for sympathy,\u201d (56). When hearing the dry response from Mabel, \u201cMrs. Holman was off, thinking her the most dried-up, unsympathetic twig she had ever met, absurdly dressed, too, and would tell everyone about Mabel\u2019s fantastic appearance,\u201d (56). Their expectations of appropriate conduct and appearance seem to be difficult for Mabel to achieve, which make her the nervous wreck she appears to be at first. However, as she sits on the blue sofa thinking, her hopes of being a respectable socialite rise and she leaves the party, \u201c[waving] her hand to Charles and Rose to show them she did not depend on them one scrap,\u201d (58). Zora and Mabel both discovered that the world is indeed unfair, but as Zora puts it, the \u201cdo not weep at the world,\u201d (983).","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26619263","body":"Adriana,
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\nYour writing has moments of resonance and strength; your brave and penetrating word choices help support this view. Do not, however, get lost in the words- they might create confusion and could even have the reader draw a conclusion which was absolutely not your intention. Take this sentence for example: "In order to portray these peculiar characters, their minds unlock the hidden ideas and qualms of the characters to the world." OK, their minds are unlocking their own ideas? Who is portraying the characters? If the authors, then do you mean their minds? Try to be specific here- read out your writing, out loud, and see if it sounds right...if it doesn't, it probably isn't. Also, try not to repeat the same words in one sentence- 'character', 'express'.
\nThis, however, is good, clear writing: "Though she is black and constantly reminded of it, she doesn\u2019t let that slow her down." As is this: "Very different views of the world are expressed, yet the way they are expressed is parallel: they both focus on the character\u2019s psychology."
\nBut when you state: "Hurston and Woolf set their characters in social environment, in which they seem to unearth the dire side of society," who is doing the unearthing, the authors or the characters? I see what you mean (and it is very sophisticated and original) but be clear, clear, clear.
\nFor instance, how can we clean up this cumbersome passage? "her innocent mind didn\u2019t register that she was being victim of stereotyping."
\n"The pressure her socialites lay on her accumulates her nervousness..." Is accumulates really the verb we want here?
\nBut then you use the words 'palpably' and 'dry' so well and descriptively.
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\nConsider what I spoke of...
\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283462816","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26664421","body":"Hurston\u00b4s How It Feels to Be Colored Me and Woolf\u00b4s The New Dress have been assigned the same week. What does it mean, though? One wouldn\u2019t usually ask this question, but when challenged to delve into the reason, the way these two authors express themselves stands out to most people. In order to portray these peculiar characters, the authors let the characters unlock their minds, along with their hidden ideas and qualms to the world. In Mabel\u00b4s case, from The New Dress, her fears \u201cof being inferior to other people [are] set upon her, relentlessly, remorselessly, with an intensity which she could not beat off\u2026\u201d (51) when she arrives at Mrs. Barnet\u2019s, who, \u201cpassing her the mirror\u2026 and drawing her attention\u2026 to all the appliances for tidying and improving hair, complexion, [and] clothes\u2026, confirmed the suspicion\u201d(51): her dress is preposterous. On the other hand, Zora reveals her unusual way of thinking and expressing herself. Though she is black and constantly reminded of it, she doesn\u2019t let that slow her down. As she says, \u201cSometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny the pleasure of my company? It\u00b4s beyond me,\u201d (985). Very different views of the world are expressed, yet the way they are expressed is parallel: they both focus on the character\u2019s psychology.
\nHurston and Woolf set their characters in social environment, in which Mabel and Zora seem to unearth the dire side of society. As a young black girl, Zora\u00b4s naivety hinders her to realize that she was under stereotyping. When the white tourists passing by asked to \u201chear [her] \u201cspeak pieces\u201d and sing and wanted to see [her] dance the parse-me-la\u201d her innocent mind didn\u2019t register that she was being stereotyped. As she grows she learns what it is to be a colored girl in a white environment and that \u201csomeone is always at [her] elbow reminding [her] that [she is] the granddaughter of slaves\u201d (983). However, she decides not to let her skin determine who she is. On the other hand, we have the self-doubting Mabel, whose society has high expectations of her and which, in her true anxious self, she questions her ability to reach. The pressure her socialites lay on her amasses her nervousness, leaving her feeling like \u201csome dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy old fly,\u201d (53). Sitting by a corner, Mabel notices Mrs. Holman approach, palpably \u201cbarking and flapping [her] wings for sympathy,\u201d (56). When hearing the dry response from Mabel, \u201cMrs. Holman was off, thinking her the most dried-up, unsympathetic twig she had ever met, absurdly dressed, too, and would tell everyone about Mabel\u2019s fantastic appearance,\u201d (56). Their expectations of appropriate conduct and appearance seem to be difficult for Mabel to achieve, which make her the nervous wreck she appears to be at first. However, as she sits on the blue sofa thinking, her hopes of being a respectable socialite rise and she leaves the party, \u201c[waving] her hand to Charles and Rose to show them she did not depend on them one scrap,\u201d (58). Zora and Mabel both discovered that the world is indeed unfair, but as Zora puts it, the \u201cdo not weep at the world,\u201d (983).","dateCreated":"1283561704","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ad.ri","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ad.ri","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283992059\/ad.ri-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26664439","body":"I\u00b4m sorry I posted it so late. I didn\u00b4t see it unlit now.","dateCreated":"1283561756","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ad.ri","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ad.ri","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283992059\/ad.ri-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26579889","dateCreated":"1283382789","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"MaFe1595","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MaFe1595","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26579889"},"dateDigested":1531973873,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Colored me & New Dress","description":"Honours English G MaFe Merayo
\nZora and Mabel 9-1-10
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\nBoth How it Feels to Be Colored Me and The New Dress were assigned at the same time because Zora, from Colored Me, is a contrast to Mabel from The New Dress. Zora is a girl from a Negro town in Miami. She is a very confident girl. At the time, it was a big taboo for white people and black people to interact with each other. At the beginning of the short story, Zora was sitting on the porch while the white, rich people from the North would pass by her on their automobiles. \u201cThe front porch was a daring place for the rest of the town, but it was a gallery seat for me. \u201c Zora is on the porch, which is higher than the street. We can therefore assume that she thinks she is higher than the white people. Also, Zora is stating that she is different from the other girls her age, that are afraid or think that sitting on the porch greeting the white people is a taboo for them. Zora is outgoing and likes to greet people. This shows her confidence. \u201c\u2026I was the first \u201cwelcome-to-our-state\u201d Floridian, and I hope the Miami Chamber of Commerce will please take notice.\u201d She likes to greet the white, rich northerners when they came into Florida and she didn\u2019t feel like the other Negroes that would hide inside the house and feel intimidated by the white people. This is another sign of Zora\u2019s self-confidence. Zora as well, hides her weaknesses from the reader. Whenever she mentions something negative, she ignores the fact that is something bad, and goes on talking about her. \u201c\u2026I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression in me.\u201d
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\n On the other hand, Mabel, from the short story The New Dress, has a very low self-esteem. She has a new dress for a party. Instead of wearing what the other girls wore at the time, she went for an old-fashioned dress. At the party she seeks for some comment that will make her feel better. \u201cAnd one word of praise, one word of affection from Charles would\u2019ve made all the difference to her at the moment.\u201d This shows how insecure she is about herself, and she seeks for praise from other people to make her feel better and more confidence. This shows a contrast with Zora\u2019s attitude. Zora found confidence in herself, while Mabel needs other to tell her nice things to gain confidence. To Mable people\u2019s opinion about her is a very important part of how she views herself. \u201c\u2026[F]or she would not join Charles Burt or Rose Shaw, chattering like magpies and perhaps laughing at her\u2026\u201d This shows the importance to what people say about her. On the other, hand, when Zora is asked about how she feels about being a descendant of a slave. Zora doesn\u2019t let it affect her, or how she views herself. Mabel, on the other hand, bases the opinion she has of herself on what people say about her.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26615783","body":"Alright Mafe,
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\nThis is decently done, clearly written, with minimal grammatical errors. Unfortunately, that's all I can say right now. Although I am not going to ask you to change anything, I feel that you could dig a little deeper here- provide us with more of a jolt, wake me up with something a little less apparent.
\nI will be hoping for this next time. If you want, I would recommend that you read Carolina's post this week; I found it very inspiring, very provocative and exciting.
\n
\nBest,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283457360","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26579133","dateCreated":"1283381331","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"caro3arias","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/caro3arias","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26579133"},"dateDigested":1531973873,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Zora and Mabel ","description":"Reading How It Feels to Be Colored Me and The New Dress in the same week was a way for me to reflect on which woman I identify with the most: Zora or Mabel. These woman contrast so much and as I read, I compared myself to each one. Mabel doesn\u2019t have a very strong foundation. Her purpose is to please the other people at the party so in turn she can feel good about herself. When she arrives to the humiliating conclusion that she looks atrocious in her new dress, her confidence crumbles. \u201cI feel like some dowdy, decrepit, horribly dingy fly\u201d, she tells someone. Zora, on the other hand, knows that people are judging her because she is black but her blackness is where she gets her strength. \u201cI am a dark rock surged upon and over swept, but throughout it all, I remain myself\u201d, she says. Zora can forget her stark contrast with all the white people of her town while Mabel cannot get rid of her insecurity. I have Mabel moments all the time when it feels as if my flaws are written across my forehead like a billboard of shame. But I also feel like Zora: I am Costa Rican and American and I am proud to have both cultures.
\n Physically, Mabel and Zora place themselves in areas that reflect their confidence or lack of. Mabel enters the party and \u201cshe went straight to the far end of the room, to a shaded corner where a looking glass hung\u201d. She stands in the dark, in the fringes, hoping no one will notices her blatant fashion mistake. Zora sits on the porch, elevated, as she greets all the white people who pass by her house. In her mind they are actors there to entertain her and \u201cdidn\u2019t mind the actors knowing that [she] liked it\u201d. Her self acceptance is obvious as she sits for all to admire her. Mabel appears in me once in a while and suddenly I just want to hide. \u201cDon\u2019t look at me!\u201d I squeal internally when I say something stupid and people stare. But I put myself in the spotlight often, the way Zora does. I raise my hand in class a bit too often, I offer my opinion freely. I usually don\u2019t mind eyes on me.
\n Both Mabel and Zora use metaphors to describe their lives. Mabel is a fly stuck in a saucer of milk, trying desperately to crawl out but her wings are stuck together. She wants to be like the other people in the room \u201cdancing, fluttering, skimming\u201d, seemingly at ease with their appearances but all she can do is stare in the mirror, harshly criticizing herself. Though Zora may be expected to stay in the saucer of milk with the rest of her race, she refuses. She uses a race to describe herself, propelled by her grandparent slaves, The Reconstruction, the generations before her as she flies down the track. She will not spend time pondering every obstacle; she will hurdle over them. I am a fly stuck in a saucer of milk too. I also want to free myself of the feeling that everyone is criticizing me, especially when they aren\u2019t. I want to stop taking heed of the 10 insults and instead notice the 100 compliments. But I also feel like Zora in the way that I want to make my parents proud and I use their struggles as motivation.
\n I realize that I often have Zora\u2019s confidence and sometimes I am a self disgusted Mabel. These woman bring out the best and worst in me and their contrast helps me realize that self acceptance is a fickle bitch.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26615533","body":"I especially love the ending, Carolina. Such verve, such energy... When I began reading this I was going to scream out, "No 1st person singulars; no 'I', 'me', 'mine'." And then I read it, realizing that this thoughtful piece would lose its steam without the open self-reflection, the self-assessment without guile or hesitation. This is Zora writing here and you should be proud. Isn't that life though? Finding the balance between being yourself, your true self (Zora) and having to deal and accommodate with all those around you (Mabel).
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283456993","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26615561","body":"Oh, and for next time, find out how to correctly punctuate short stories.","dateCreated":"1283457033","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26574739","dateCreated":"1283374760","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"julibarca10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/julibarca10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1269448814\/julibarca10-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26574739"},"dateDigested":1531973873,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"The New dress and Colored Me Response","description":"Julian Picado
\nThe New Dress and How It Feels To Be Colored Me
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\nThe reason one would pair Virginia Woolf\u2019s The New Dress and Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s How It Feels To Be Colored Me at the same time is to contrast what was going on at that period of time. These styles show us both sides of the coin. During this period of time slavery was well half a century behind and \u201cThe terrible struggle that made [them] an American out of a potential slave said \u2018On the line!\u2019 The reconstruction said \u2018Get Set!\u2019; and the generation before said \u201cGo!\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) The doors were open for the colored people and the revolution for equal rights began. At the same time people in Britain were beginning to experience new luxuries like automobiles, airplanes, movies and many new inventions of the early 20th century. What ties these to stories so greatly is that they contrast each other perfectly. While in Zora lives in a place with dirt roads \u201cthe northern tourists chugged down the sandy village road in automobiles,\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 982) and she is far away from experiencing the luxuries that Mabel was enjoying like getting a new dress, Zora had something that Mabel lacked. That is, confidence, Zora was not ashamed of being colored in a time where you were supposed to be, it was the complete opposite. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow damned up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind it at all.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) Mabel instead had so little self-respect that she compared herself to a fly \u201cshe saw herself like that \u2013 she was a fly.\u201d(The New Dress pg. 52) Like opposites that they are these two stories are meant to attract to each other forming a great pair to assign. The plot isn\u2019t the only thing that demonstrates the conditions people were going through, the writing style manages to make an even more exact representation of the situation the writers where going through at that time. While Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s writing is economic and simple with short sentences, \u201cMusic. The great blobs of purple and red emotion have not touched him. He has only heard what I felt. He is far away and I see him but dimly across the ocean and the continent that have fallen between us. He is so pale with this whiteness then and I am so colored.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 984) The words are very cleverly chosen and manage to send us the passion she feels \u201cIt loses no time in circumlocutions, but gets right down to business [referring to the jazz orchestra]. It constricts the thorax and splits the heart with its tempo and narcotic harmonies. This orchestra grows rambunctious, rears on its hind legs and attacks the tonal veil with primitive fury, rending it, clawing it until it breaks through the jungle beyond.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 84). Virginia Woolf instead tries to portray the aspects of what British society was like very elegant, and larger than life. \u201cWhy\u2019 She asked herself \u2013 replying to Charles much too pertly, letting him see that she was out of temper or \u2018ruffled\u2019 as he called it. (\u2018Rather\u2019 ruffled?\u2019 he said and went on to laugh at her with some woman over there) \u2013 \u2018Why,\u201d she asked herself, \u2018can\u2019t I feel one thing always, feel quite sure that Miss Milan is
\nRight, and Charles wrong and stick to it, feel sure about the canary and pity love and not
\nbe whipped all round in a second by coming into a room full of people?\u201d (The New Dress pg. 55) Her sentences are longer and try to give the situation a more dramatic effect. The stories might have been different but in the end opposites will always attract and that is what make this stories a great couple to be assigned.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26576275","body":"Julian,
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\nThanks. A couple of things...
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\n1) What does this mean? "What ties these to stories so greatly is that they contrast each other perfectly." Can you clean it up a bit?
\n2) How do we punctuate short stories in general?
\n3) You incorporate your quotes in very well.
\n4) How can we make this sentence better? "Like opposites that they are these two stories are meant to attract to each other forming a great pair to assign."
\n5) See the mistake? "the situation the writers where going through at that time."
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283377788","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26615703","body":"Julian Picado
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\nThe reason one would pair Virginia Woolf\u2019s The New Dress and Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s How It Feels To Be Colored Me at the same time is to contrast what was going on at that period of time. These styles show us both sides of the coin. During this period of time slavery was well half a century behind and \u201cThe terrible struggle that made [them] an American out of a potential slave said \u2018On the line!\u2019 The reconstruction said \u2018Get Set!\u2019; and the generation before said \u201cGo!\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) The doors were open for the colored people and the revolution for equal rights began. At the same time people in Britain were beginning to experience new luxuries like automobiles, airplanes, movies and many new inventions of the early 20th century. What makes these two stories such a great couple, is that what one lacks, the other one makes up for. While in Zora lives in a place with dirt roads \u201cthe northern tourists chugged down the sandy village road in automobiles,\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 982) and she is far away from experiencing the luxuries that Mabel was enjoying like getting a new dress, Zora had something that Mabel lacked. That is, confidence, Zora was not ashamed of being colored in a time where you were supposed to be, it was the complete opposite. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow damned up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind it at all.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) Mabel instead had so little self-respect that she compared herself to a fly \u201cshe saw herself like that \u2013 she was a fly.\u201d(The New Dress pg. 52) Like two opposites these stories are meant to attract forming a great pair to assign. The plot isn\u2019t the only thing that demonstrates the conditions people were going through, the writing style manages to make an even more exact representation of the situation the writers were going through at that time. While Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s writing is economic and simple with short sentences, \u201cMusic. The great blobs of purple and red emotion have not touched him. He has only heard what I felt. He is far away and I see him but dimly across the ocean and the continent that have fallen between us. He is so pale with this whiteness then and I am so colored.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 984) The words are very cleverly chosen and manage to send us the passion she feels \u201cIt loses no time in circumlocutions, but gets right down to business [referring to the jazz orchestra]. It constricts the thorax and splits the heart with its tempo and narcotic harmonies. This orchestra grows rambunctious, rears on its hind legs and attacks the tonal veil with primitive fury, rending it, clawing it until it breaks through the jungle beyond.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 84). Virginia Woolf instead tries to portray the aspects of what British society was like very elegant, and larger than life. \u201cWhy\u2019 She asked herself \u2013 replying to Charles much too pertly, letting him see that she was out of temper or \u2018ruffled\u2019 as he called it. (\u2018Rather\u2019 ruffled?\u2019 he said and went on to laugh at her with some woman over there) \u2013 \u2018Why,\u201d she asked herself, \u2018can\u2019t I feel one thing always, feel quite sure that Miss Milan is
\nRight, and Charles wrong and stick to it, feel sure about the canary and pity love and not
\nbe whipped all round in a second by coming into a room full of people?\u201d (The New Dress pg. 55) Her sentences are longer and try to give the situation a more dramatic effect. The stories might have been different but in the end opposites will always attract and that is what make this stories a great couple to be assigned.","dateCreated":"1283457247","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"julibarca10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/julibarca10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1269448814\/julibarca10-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26643679","body":"Thanks Julian, but you are still not quite getting the idea of punctuation down...
\nLook it up.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283523689","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26657705","body":"Julian Picado
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\nThe reason one would pair Virginia Woolf\u2019s "The New Dress" and Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s "How It Feels To Be Colored Me" at the same time is to contrast what was going on at that period of time. These styles show us both sides of the coin. During this period of time slavery was well half a century behind and \u201cThe terrible struggle that made [them] an American out of a potential slave said \u2018On the line!\u2019 The reconstruction said \u2018Get Set!\u2019; and the generation before said \u201cGo!\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) The doors were open for the colored people and the revolution for equal rights began. At the same time people in Britain were beginning to experience new luxuries like automobiles, airplanes, movies and many new inventions of the early 20th century. What makes these two stories such a great couple, is that what one lacks, the other one makes up for. While in Zora lives in a place with dirt roads \u201cthe northern tourists chugged down the sandy village road in automobiles,\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 982) and she is far away from experiencing the luxuries that Mabel was enjoying like getting a new dress, Zora had something that Mabel lacked. That is, confidence, Zora was not ashamed of being colored in a time where you were supposed to be, it was the complete opposite. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow damned up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind it at all.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 983) Mabel instead had so little self-respect that she compared herself to a fly \u201cshe saw herself like that \u2013 she was a fly.\u201d(The New Dress pg. 52) Like two opposites these stories are meant to attract forming a great pair to assign. The plot isn\u2019t the only thing that demonstrates the conditions people were going through, the writing style manages to make an even more exact representation of the situation the writers were going through at that time. While Zora Neale Hurston\u2019s writing is economic and simple with short sentences, \u201cMusic. The great blobs of purple and red emotion have not touched him. He has only heard what I felt. He is far away and I see him but dimly across the ocean and the continent that have fallen between us. He is so pale with this whiteness then and I am so colored.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 984) The words are very cleverly chosen and manage to send us the passion she feels \u201cIt loses no time in circumlocutions, but gets right down to business [referring to the jazz orchestra]. It constricts the thorax and splits the heart with its tempo and narcotic harmonies. This orchestra grows rambunctious, rears on its hind legs and attacks the tonal veil with primitive fury, rending it, clawing it until it breaks through the jungle beyond.\u201d(How It Feels To Be Colored Me pg. 84). Virginia Woolf instead tries to portray the aspects of what British society was like very elegant, and larger than life. \u201cWhy\u2019 She asked herself \u2013 replying to Charles much too pertly, letting him see that she was out of temper or \u2018ruffled\u2019 as he called it. (\u2018Rather\u2019 ruffled?\u2019 he said and went on to laugh at her with some woman over there) \u2013 \u2018Why,\u201d she asked herself, \u2018can\u2019t I feel one thing always, feel quite sure that Miss Milan is
\nRight, and Charles wrong and stick to it, feel sure about the canary and pity love and not
\nbe whipped all round in a second by coming into a room full of people?\u201d (The New Dress pg. 55) Her sentences are longer and try to give the situation a more dramatic effect. The stories might have been different but in the end opposites will always attract and that is what make this stories a great couple to be assigned.
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\nMr Web im not sure if this is what u mean about the punctuation of the short stories","dateCreated":"1283544472","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"julibarca10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/julibarca10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1269448814\/julibarca10-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}