{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26623495","dateCreated":"1283470074","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ellagicacid","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ellagicacid","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1343664898\/ellagicacid-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26623495"},"dateDigested":1531973919,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Question # 2 - Ella Nugent","description":""How It Feels to be Colored Me" vs. "The New Dress"
\nElla Nugent
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\nAssigning \u201cHow It Feels to be Colored Me\u201d and \u201cThe New Dress\u201d in the same week was a good idea because they contrast and contradict each other very well. The stories are about two very different women who feel very differently about themselves. The narrative and the way they are told is also vastly different.
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\nZora, from \u201cHow It Feels to be Colored Me\u201d, is a very proud, confident woman. Mabel, on the other hand, is a feeble, fearful creature who cares far too much what other people think of her. Both women are judged by the way they look, but both of them deal with it in very different ways. Zora notices and feels the contrast of her skin but is not bothered by it. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind at all.\u201d (pg 983). Even when Zora is discriminated against, she still doesn\u2019t mind. \u201cSometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny themselves the pleasure of my company? It\u2019s beyond me.\u201d (pg 985). Zora is self-concious of her skin but not in a bad way. \u201c...I feel my race. Among the thousand white persons, I am a dark rock surged upon, and overswept, but through it all, I remain myself.\u201d (pg 984). When Zora \u201cfeels\u201d her race, she is simply noticing it and accepting it. Mabel, on the other hand, is extremely sensitive and insecure about the way she looks and what she wears. \u201cShe saw herself like that- she was a fly, but the others were dragonflies, butterflies, beautiful insects, dancing, fluttering, skimming...\u201d (pg 52). She worries and frets about the way she looks and what other people think of her; \u201c... for oh these men, oh these women, all were thinking \u2018What\u2019s Mabel wearing? What a fright she looks! What a hideous new dress!\u2019\u201d (pg 51). Mabel thinks everyone is always staring at her and judging how she dresses and she feels self-concious. Mabel feels so self concious of herself that she leaves the party early. Mabel depends on what other people think of her: \u201cAnd one word of praise, one word of affection from Charles would have made all the difference to her at the moment. If he had only said \u2018Mabel, you\u2019re looking charming tonight!\u2019 it would have changed her life\u201d (pg 54). While Zora is self-concious about her skin in the way that she notices but is not bothered, Mabel is self-concious in an over-sensitive, worrying way.
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\nAswell as the contrast between the two women in the stories, there is also contrast in the way they are told. \u201cThe New Dress\u201d is more descriptive, descriptive of Mabel and plenty of details about not only Mabel\u2019s dress, but other dresses aswell. \u201cHow it Feels to be Colored Me\u201d is less about details and more about events, things that have happened in her life. \u201cThe New Dress\u201d is also told over the course of one evening while \u201cHow it Feels to be Colored Me\u201d is the story of her whole life.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26650051","body":"Ella,
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\nYour answer was adequate but next time I would like you to dig deeper and take more intellectual risks. Try not to go for the easy answer but challenge yourself. I will help you along if need be.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283532828","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26622233","dateCreated":"1283467953","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"luisuarez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/luisuarez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1302804674\/luisuarez-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26622233"},"dateDigested":1531973919,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Question # 2","description":"Reading two stories in the same week means that there is something related on both of them. In this case \u201cHow it feels to be Colored Me\u201d is about African-American girls that suffer from prejudice, while in the story \u201cThe New Dress\u201d a girl also suffers from prejudice from the people around her. As we read throughout both stories, we can see a parallel growth and a similar plot between them. For instance in the story \u201cHow it Feels to be colored Me\u201d, Zora, the main character, talks about how she feels, being an African-American girl from the late 1800\u2019s. In the other hand, the story \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, Mabel faces judgment from his peers, for having a horrendous yellow dress. Zora says that she feels different in certain occasions, for example with white people in a Jazz Bar, she feels colored; but with his black friends she doesn\u2019t feel colored at all. In the other hand, Mabel feels as if she weren\u2019t enough for his society because she can\u2019t afford a \u201cnice dress\u201d.
\nWe can see similarities in both stories, for instance in both we can see that there is problem with prejudice, because people tend to judge people by their past or looks. In the story \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, Mabel, the main character is semi-judged by people because of his dress; this is because people never say something to her, but she thinks that people are thinking bad things about her, for example \u201c\u2026all were thinking-\u201cWhat\u2019s Mabel wearing? What a fright she looks! What a hideous new dress!\u201d\u201d (pg 51). If Mabel is thinking that people are seeing her strangely; they probably are giving her a \u201cbad\u201d look. In the other story, it is evident that black people are judged without considering their education or morals; this is mainly due to the reputation that Black people had gained. As Zora says in the story \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression in me\u201d (pg 983).This means that people are telling her that she comes from slaves, which is clearly a prejudice from the people that are thinking that. Therefore it is evident that both stories contain some prejudice.
\nAnother reason they these stories were \u201cwisely paired\u201d was because, both stories have a very deep connection with their main characters, in other words they know their feelings and their actions. For example in \u201cHow it Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d, we can see this through the words, feelings and actions of Zora. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind at all\u201d (pg 983). This shows that the author knows exactly what Zora thinks; and therefore knows what she feels. In the other story, we can also see that. \u201cShe felt like a dressmaker\u2019s dummy standing there\u2026\u201d(pg 52) This also shows that the author knows what she feels.
\nConsequently, both stories were wisely paired due to the themes present and the similarities in narrative.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26649817","body":"Luis,
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\nSome mechanical issues that need to be taken care of in general- I would like to work on this with you throughout the year...
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\n1) Watch your prepositions: "there is something related on both of them,""In the other hand," "both stories have a very deep connection with their main characters,"
\n2) What is wrong with this sentence? There is a problem with the pronouns-- "is about African-American girls that suffer from prejudice," "Mabel feels as if she weren\u2019t enough for his society," "Mabel, the main character is semi-judged by people because of his dress",
\n3) run-on sentences: "We can see similarities in both stories, for instance in both we can see that there is problem with prejudice, because people tend to judge people by their past or looks."
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\nTry to fix this and keep it in mind when writing your next response.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283532549","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26599799","dateCreated":"1283435994","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"eli-picado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/eli-picado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283475869\/eli-picado-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26599799"},"dateDigested":1531973920,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Wiki Question \"How it Feels to e Colored Me\" and \"The New Dress\"","description":"One would assign both short stories, \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d and \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, during the same week, because both stories show the way how two completely different women deal with society as a constant \u201cwatcher\u201d; what lend both stories to be compared and contrasted. Zora, from \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d is a black woman who lived her first thirteen years in Eatonville, a town where everyone is colored. She feels really comfortable there and she isn\u00b4t really aware of her \u201ccondition\u201d in society. It is until she leaves her town for Jacksonville when she suffers a cultural collision and realizes how different things really were. This is how Zora describes the moment when she opens her eyes to a new racist world: \u201cI was no Zora of Orange County any more, I was now a little colored girl. I found it out in certain ways. In my heart as well as in the mirror, I became a fast brown----warranted not to rub nor run,\u201d (page 983). However, this epiphany doesn\u00b4t change Zora\u00b4s personality. Instead, it stands out her admirable braveness, her audaciousness, confidence, security, determination, but most important, her proudness of her roots. By reading both short stories at the same time, readers get to see the other side of the coin. Mabel Waring from \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, is the opposite of Zora. Mable\u00b4s story talks about a yellow (apparently ugly and old fashioned) dress she decided to wear to a party, and how she imagines people criticizing her. Mable is probably a white woman in her middle twenties, who is closely acquainted with the highest class of her town, and whose biggest problem is her unhappiness with her life, what makes her insecure and self-conscious. She has two children and is married with a man called Hubert who is nothing like the native Indian hero with a turban she once dreamed of. The situation of her life makes her refugee in books seeking for a new personality. She is insecure, codependent of people\u00b4s thoughts, coward, and sometimes ashamed of herself. She comes from a poor family, what makes her feel inferior to other people since she was a child, and makes her feel ashamed of her economic situation. Mable has a hard time understanding society. For example, when she realizes she made a mistake in wearing that dress, these are the thoughts that cross her mind: \u201c\u2026 of course, she could not be fashionable. It was absurd to pretend it even----fashion meant cut, meant style, meant thirty guineas at least----but why not be original? Why not be herself, anyhow?,\u201d (page 52). She thinks she can\u00b4t be how she is supposed to be, but society doesn\u00b4t allow her to be herself, either. The short story \u201cThe New Dress\u201d is not about a dress at all, it is about how Mabel Waring tries to mold herself to society\u00b4s shape; what is the total opposite of \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d is about: Zora Neale trying to mold society to her own shape. This is the reason why these short stories are wisely paired; they talk about totally opposite women that share the same odyssey of dealing with the inflexibility of society. So different, but so similar at the same time.
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\nMr. Webster, remember I talked with you about the day I was posting my response. Thank You.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26646473","body":"Elizabeth,
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\nA couple of things:
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\n1) I love the term 'cultural collision'.
\n2) Is there maybe a better way to put this: "it stands out her admirable"
\n3) What is the actual word for 'proudness'?
\n4) "makes her refugee"... Not quite sure what you mean here... could you fix it?
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\nMost importantly, I was excited to see that you labeled both women as 'watchers' at the beginning, yet I didn't really see you follow through on that idea to much in the rest of your response... Instead, I feel that you went for something that was a bit less challenging and, more or less, stated some rather obvious points (although I really like the final juxtaposition regarding society, the individual and 'shaping'. I hope that next week you could challenge yourself a little more.
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283527881","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26662519","body":"1. Instead she faces it as a challenge that gives her the chance to demonstrate her...
\n2. Pride :)
\n3. Makes her seek in books for a new personality","dateCreated":"1283555194","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"eli-picado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/eli-picado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1283475869\/eli-picado-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26582435","dateCreated":"1283387053","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"cecyrodriguez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cecyrodriguez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26582435"},"dateDigested":1531973920,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"queston #2","description":"
\n\u00a8How It Feels To be Colored Me\u00a8 by Zora Naele Hurtson and \u00a8The New Dress\u00a8 by Virginia Wolf were assigned during the same week because they are both about ones identity and how they feel about themselves even though the characters personalities are completely different. In both stories the characters identities are expressed. Zora is proud of being black and everything that comes with it like her way of feeling music and responding to it, or the way she has to be entertaining in front of white people. Zora\u00b4s individuality makes her stand out. The story is told by Zora. She describes how it was like in her hometown. She says she feels black when she leaves her home, because she is now surrounded by white people. She wouldn\u2019t be black back in her home, because that\u2019s what everyone was, so it was normal, but now she stands out because she is with white people and other races. Zora is still herself on the inside
\nMabel\u00b4s character is very insecure. She is tortured by how people might view her and think of her. The whole story is based on her struggle of being beautiful and accepted by others. She is thinks everyone is lying about the way she looks. She might be pretty, she might it not. The personality is the only source of how Mabel is. Her race isn\u00b4t mentioned, but that\u2019s not her problem. Mabel has a problem with herself and her self-esteem. She is very different from Zora, because Zora doesn\u00b4t care how people think of her. She is actually very happy with who she is. Zora says that when she is discriminated against, she doesn\u00b4t feel angry. It actually surprises her because she can\u2019t see why people wouldn\u2019t want to be with her.
\nBoth Zora and Mabel\u00b4s personalities are very different. One is very sure of what she is and where she stands and the other isn\u00b4t. Comparing and contrasting these stories is great, because they are so different but at the same time similar. Their identity is the focus of the stories. They are both very different characters, because they feel different about themselves. Zora is confident about her race and where she comes from. Zora isn\u00b4t afraid to listen to jazz and feel a strong response go through her body, unlike a white person would. Mabel isn\u00b4t confident about her like, at all. She cares deeply of how people view her. Even though people tell her she looks good, she thinks that they are lying. It\u2019s kind of an obsession. She says she wishes she could forget what Charles says and rely on what Miss Milan says about her looks, but she can\u00b4t. The negative comments overpower her and sink in.
\n I believe the stories were put together in the same week so we could analyze the characters personalities. They both offered a very different thing, which is good, because there was a lot to compare and contrast. Their identity is important to them.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26646137","body":"Thanks for answering Cecilia,
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\nYou did a decent job explaining your thoughts and ideas and I can see your effort. I would, however, like you to next time dig a little deeper and write about less obvious components of the text. Don't be afraid to extend yourself, even beyond what you think is comfortable.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283527377","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26580139","dateCreated":"1283383293","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"fabig1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/fabig1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1229012865\/fabig1-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26580139"},"dateDigested":1531973920,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Question #2","description":" These two short stories, How it feels to be colored Me, and, The New Dress, are completely different. Assigning them on the same week was a very good idea. In the first story, How it feels to be colored Me, the narrator is a African-American girl named Zora in which she talks about her life and her view on society during her time. During the story, we see that she is a very brave and confident girl. She is not afraid or sad about what happened to her ancestors, or when people tried to make her sad by telling her that her ancestry all were slaves. \u201cI am off to a flying start and must not halt in the stretch to look behind and weep.\u201d She shows us her confidence stating that she does not give up just because of the past; she will persevere until she obtains what she wants. Another quote that shows us how strong and perseverant she really is is when she explains how even if the white foam passes over her. \u201cWhen covered by the white waters, I am; and the ebb but reveals me again.\u201d She is saying how even If she is toyed and abused by the white people, she is going to hold strongly and not give up. Also, it shows us how she is her own producer and does not rely on others. She is also a hypocrite in saying that she is only black because of her color, when later she says that music separates her from the whites and makes her different. On the other hand, Mable, from The new Dress, is an extreme pessimist and is always saying how ugly and despicable her dress is. \u201cWhat\u2019s Mabel wearing? What a fright she looks! What a hideous new dress!\u201d She is convinced that everyone is lying to her and that she is ugly. \u201cRobert Haydon answered something, quite polite, quite insincere, which she saw through instantly\u201d She has a incredibly low self esteem and relays on others to tell her everything, she wants people to tell her nice things.
\n Also, both stories differ in the way they are written and told. How it feels to be colored me is much more compact and has a 3rd person view of the story. Zora talks more to the reader than Mable does. Mable is only talking about her grief and how she is a fly compared to everyone that are beautiful and amazing things. One of the similarities of the narration is that they both talk about their inner feelings and their deep thoughts. On The new dress, it is hard to follow Mable\u2019s train of thought, in Zoras story, there is a lot of sarcasm and jokes that are combined in the play.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26645883","body":"Fabian,
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\nPlease consider the following issues:
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\n1) How should we punctuate short stories?
\n2) "her ancestry all were slaves." See the mistake?
\n3)Can you really claim that this makes her a 'hypocrite? If so, you must do a better job explaining yourself.
\n4) Thanks for mentioning the narrative and explaining what you see as the difference in the two approaches. My question is, why? Why do you think that the authors chose these separate methods of narrative? What would be their reasoning?
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\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283527020","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26657849","body":"Thank you for answering.
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\n1. We should punctuate short stories with italicized letters to show that it is a story. Also, we should use quotations on dialog and put page numbers.
\n2. "her ancestry were all slaves"
\n3. I changed my mind about her being a hypocrite, I think that it is much more deep than that.
\n4. The authors chose these separate methods of narrative to tell different stories. Colored me has much more plot and events than the other story. The new dress is much more deep and more like a stream of conciseness. They wanted to show the inner thoughts and feelings inside both of the characters.","dateCreated":"1283544722","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"fabig1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/fabig1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1229012865\/fabig1-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26578909","dateCreated":"1283380943","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"gmurphy3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gmurphy3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26578909"},"dateDigested":1531973920,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Honors Question 2 ","description":"The narratives in \u201cThe New Dress\u201d and \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d are extremely contrasting. However, they might be assigned during the same week to show types of narration and how they vary. \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d is written in first person by the main character, Zora. It is narrated as if Zora is telling a story to the readers. We know about her innermost thoughts and what she feels because she is telling us. We get a very good feel for Zora through the language she uses in her narration. \u201cI am the only Negro in the United Stares whose grandfather on the mother\u2019s side was not an Indian chief.\u201d (Pg 982) Of course this is not true, however this line displays Zora\u2019s sarcasm and how she uses it to get her point across. We can also see that Zora is very confident and proud of who she is. She doesn\u2019t let society tell her that she\u2019s not good enough because of the color of her skin. She believes in herself and knows that she is just as good, if not better, than white people.
\n The narration in Virginia Woolf\u2019s \u201cThe New Dress\u201d is the complete opposite of \u201cHow It Feels to Be Colored Me.\u201d Instead of the main character telling the story, there is an all-knowing narrator. While the narrator is not the main character, Mabel, he\/she knows all of her thoughts and feelings, but only hers. We are not made aware of the other character\u2019s thoughts. The narrator shows us who Mabel is by telling us what she is thinking. We can see that she is extremely insecure and is always feeling self-conscious. When she arrives at Clarissa Dalloway\u2019s party, she immediately feels that she is wearing the wrong kind of dress. She over analyzes herself and decides that she looks inferior compared to everyone else at the party. \u201cAnd at once, the misery which se always tried to hide, the profound dissatisfaction- the sense she had had ever since she was a child, of being inferior to other people \u2013 set upon her.\u201d (Pg 51) By saying that Mabel has felt this way every since she was a child, the narrator is implying that this is how Mabel has always been. The narrator also shows us that Mabel wishes she was not like this and how she wants superficial things, like clothes, not to matter. \u201cShe would be absolutely transformed\u2026 and she would never give a thought to clothes again\u201d (Pg 58). Another reason that these two stories would be assigned during the same week could be to show the contrast between the two characters. Psychologically, they are very different. Zora, though she is a discriminated minority, believes she is just as good as anyone else. She is extremely confident and sure of who she is and who she wants to be. Mabel, on the other hand, is very unstable and painfully insecure. She always thinks people are judging her and she constantly analyzes how she looks. While the characters are polar opposites, the way the narrators portray them is very similar. Neither story includes a physical description (with the exception of Zora\u2019s skin tone). Everything we know is internal. We get to know both women by who they are inside first, rather than on the outside.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26644799","body":"Grace,
\n
\nThanks, but I am wondering something...
\nYou mention the narrative quite a bit in your response, and this I like. Why then do you treat it so fleetingly? You mention the narrative as 1st or 3rd person and then, well, that seems to be it. Why not investigate and ponder the words used, the sentence complexity, the (in)direct manner of conveying the ideas?
\n
\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283525406","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26693301","body":"Mr Webster, thanks for answering!
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\nThe narrative in "How It Feels to Be Colored Me" seems to go into a bit more detail than in "The New Dress." Zora goes into details about her life while Mabel just touches on the subjects she is talking about. This is probably because Zora is telling us the story herself while Mabel's thoughts are being conveyed by someone else. Also, "The New Dress" has quite a few parts that are just Mabel thinking to herself. She is not trying to tell anyone a story, but simply thinking to herself. This is different from Zora's narration because Zora seems to have everything figured out. There are no soliloquies where Zora is trying to figure something out. She is talking about her life the way it is throughout the story.
\n
\nThanks,
\nGrace","dateCreated":"1283736222","smartDate":"Sep 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"gmurphy3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gmurphy3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26577843","dateCreated":"1283379578","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"marinacoccaro","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/marinacoccaro","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26577843"},"dateDigested":1531973921,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Colored me, New dress","description":"Both\u201d How it feels to be Colored Me\u201d and \u201cNew Dress\u201d relate to each other in meaningful ways. These two stories talk about external factors, such as a person\u2019s skin tone and the clothes a girl should wear to a party. To many, those factors might sound very superficial; after all, they don\u2019t define a person, and they are merely significant to those that value outer looks. But due to the contrast they make on each other, the choice of having us to read them on the same week is very wise.
\nEven though she is an African American, Zora is very confident of herself. She lived during a period of time in which the word justice was unknown and racism prevailed in most of the United States. Black people were oppressed for no reason; having a more pigmented skin was fair enough to make them different, as well as inferior. Instead of excluding herself from society, she is brave and very proud of her origins. Being a black person doesn\u2019t make her feel ashamed, but rather gives her a sense of uniqueness. Zora loves the fact that she is different from everyone else. In a sarcastic tone, she says that she is the \u201c\u2026only Negro in the United States whose grandfather on the mother\u2019s side was not an Indian chief.\u201d pg 982, just to feel slightly more special. Zora only notices that she is colored when she is sent to school in Jacksonville, and that\u2019s a radical change on her life. She finds out her new identity in harsh ways, but her pride impedes her from remembering those memories, which later on shaped who she really is. \u201cI became a fast brown-warranted not to rub nor run\u201d. Pg 983. The color of her skin will not come out easily, that\u2019s something she will carry with her for the rest of her life. The fact of Zora being colored is not a tragedy, according to her. \u201cThere is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind it at all.\u201d Pg 983. The world is saving her something big, after all, she is very fierce and \u201cthe world is to the strong regardless of a little pigmentation more or less\u201d. Pg 983. It was worth for her ancestors to sacrifice their lives as miserable slaves since consequently she was born after them. That shows us how self confident Zora is, and the immense pride she keeps to herself. We may assume that she is a narcissist, but just on thinking how much courage she had to gain till it was necessary for her to rise as a fantastic writer already sympathize us with this unbelievable individual.
\nIn the other hand, Mabel is a white girl that is acquainted to a group formed by high society only. Unlike Zora, she doesn\u2019t like what she sees when looking at the mirror. She has low self esteem and no confidence at all. The words used to describe Mabel\u2019s character are upsetting, gloomy and transmit no firmness. The story\u2019s beginning gives us readers a clue of how things will develop themselves throughout the story; \u201cMabel had her first serious suspicion that something was wrong as she took her cloak off\u2026\u201d pg 51. Mabel is very insecure of her image, and fearful of what others might think of her. The adjectives used to describe this young lady are very depressing, and not wild nor vivacious like the ones used to describe Zora. Somehow they are both related since the two of them live in a society that is often judgmental and have a great impact on their way of living. While Zora thinks she can be better than society, Mabel feels like she is drowning.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26625453","body":"Marina,
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\nQuestion: Is an individual who has suffered from racial discrimination really someone who only "value[s] outer looks"?
\nAlso, do you really consider Mabel a girl? Is that the best word? And if you choose to mention that "words used to describe Mabel\u2019s character are upsetting, gloomy and transmit no firmness," then, please give us some examples.
\nI appreciated what you wrote on racial prejudice; you indignation came through... I do wish, however, that you did a little deeper next week- give us a little less of a safe, cursory analysis and take some risks- go there, be bold and daring and make some claims that might seem unsound or unsafe, but take the risk.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283472680","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26674849","body":"Mr Webster,
\nWhat I was trying to say is that the skin tone of someone is something very superficial for me, not to Zora. Maybe I didnt let that very clear...Mabel is not a girl, but a young lady. And some of the adjectives are dowdy, decrepit, coward, and profound dissatisfaction.
\nThanks,
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\nMarina","dateCreated":"1283626778","smartDate":"Sep 4, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"marinacoccaro","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/marinacoccaro","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26575281","dateCreated":"1283375978","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mariangel94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mariangel94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26575281"},"dateDigested":1531973921,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Mariangel \"How it feels to be colored me\" and \"The new dress\" ","description":"One would assign both stories on the same week because the narrative of \u201cHow it Feels to be Colored Me\u201d by Zora Neale Hurston contrasts greatly with that of \u201cThe New Dress\u201d by Virginia Woolf. While \u201cHow it Feels to Be Colored Me\u201d tells the story of a confident, proud African-American woman, \u201cThe New Dress\u201d depicts a very insecure, self-conscious main character. Zora, discovered she was colored when she left the town of Eatonville; \u201cI was not Zora of Orange County any more, I was now a little colored girl. I found it out in certain ways. In my heart as well as in the mirror, I became a fast brown--warranted not to rub nor run,\u201d (page 983). The distinct treatment she received when she left her home town, made her notice their was a difference between her, and the white society; however, she did not let this affect her. \u201cBut I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes. I do not mind at all,\u201d (page 983). Although, she could have felt sorry for herself, she chooses not to. Instead, she looks at the bright side of things; how long they have come from slavery, for example. \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression with me. Slavery is sixty years in the past. The operation was successful and the patient is doing well, thank you,\u201d (page 983). Zora isn\u2019t just secure of herself and optimist, but she is ambitious as well. She wants to strive for greatness regardless of what her skin color may be, \u201cI have seen that the world is to the strong regardless of a little pigmentation more of less. No, I do not weep at the world--I am too busy sharpening my oyster knife,\u201d(page 983). On the other hand, we have Mabel Waring, the main character in \u201cThe New Dress\u201d. It could be said that she is Zora\u2019s converse. Insecurity, self-consciousness, angst, and self-loathing all constantly cloud Mabel\u2019s mind. She constantly feels inferior to those around her, and thinks everyone is making fun of her, she even sees herself as a fly about to fall into a saucer, \u201cShe saw herself like that -- she was a fly, but the others were dragonflies, butterflies, beautiful insects, dancing, fluttering, skimming, while she alone dragged herself up out of the saucer,\u201d (page 52). Differing from Zora, Mabel is very susceptible to people\u2019s opinion of her and this constrains her. \u201cBut it was all so paltry, weak-blooded, and petty-minded to care so much at her age with two children, to be still so utterly dependent on people's opinions and not have principles or convictions,\u201d(page 54). At the party she couldn\u2019t stop obsessing about what she thought other people were saying about her dress, and this constant preoccupation of what others may be thinking does not allow her to be her real self. These two stories were wisely paired because they show two very different ends of the social spectrum. When analyzing these two stories, what we find out, might actually defy the notions people had at the time these were written. In the 1920s-30s, many people considered the African-Americans to be inferior, and therefore, it could have been thought that the suppressed woman would be Zora. However, through these two narratives we can see that race does not affect how truly independent and happy a person can be.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26577393","body":"Mariangel,
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\nWell put, but where so you find it that 'these two stories were wisely paired because they show two very different ends of the social spectrum'? I wonder what you mean specifically.
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\nOtherwise, a good response.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283379129","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26652679","body":"Mr. Webster, thank you for looking over my response.
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\nExplanation:
\nWhat I meant by stating that the two stories were wisely paired because they show two different ends of the social spectrum, is that they represent opposite stereotypes. While Zora, is an African-American, Mabel (one can assume) is a white, British woman.
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\nRewritten:
\nThese two stories were wisely paired because they show two very different ends of the social spectrum; they represent opposite stereotypes. While Zora is an African-American, Mabel (one can assume) is a white British woman. However, analyzing these two stories, what we find out, might actually defy the notions and stereotypes society had at the time these were written. In the 1920s-30s, many people considered the African-Americans to be inferior, and therefore, it could have been thought that the suppressed woman would be Zora. However, through these two narratives we can see that race does not affect how truly independent and happy a person can be.","dateCreated":"1283536755","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mariangel94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mariangel94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26549909","dateCreated":"1283309732","smartDate":"Aug 31, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Jenny-37715","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jenny-37715","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1282875040\/Jenny-37715-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26549909"},"dateDigested":1531973921,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Honors Question 2","description":"The story How it feels to be colored me is about a young colored girl named Zora, who faces a critical society with confidence and with joy about her heritage. The New Dress, on the other hand, presents a young lady named Mabel in the 1800\u2019s who also faces a critical society, but the character is affected by the criticism instead of standing up for herself. Both these stories were assigned in the same week because they contradict each other in the way the narrators choose to present their characters and because they represent the two societies, blacks and whites. In How it feels to be Colored Me the person who narrates the story is Zora. Zora presents herself as s black girl who is satisfied with her heritage and her way of being because of that heritage. She is a very conceited girl who decides that the color of her skin will not be an obstacle for her in life. She, as a strong character, is aware of the prejudice in society towards black people, but she does not let society\u2019s opinions affect who she is as a person. In a passage of the story where she is explaining society\u2019s views she says, \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression with me,\u201d (pg. 983) Society tries to make Zora feel bad for herself because she is black. However, Zora\u2019s character is not one to break under the judgmental knife of society. On the other, Mabel, the main character from The New Dress, is presented by the Narrator as a weak character who is incapable of feeling good because of the criticism of high, white society people. In the story, Mabel\u2019s dress is criticized by many socialites which makes her feel unfashionable and depressed. She allows herself to be influenced by the opinions of the other socialites. Mabel wants to be valiant and stand up for herself but decides to listen to society. She does not have the power to be like Zora. She says, \u201cBut it was all paltry, weak blooded, and petty-minded to care so much at her age with two children, to be still so utterly dependent on people\u2019s opinions and not have principles or convictions..\u201d (pg. 54) Mabel knows that she is a spine-less person who would rather feel horrible about herself than to take a stand and own her choice of fashion. The stories also present the two societies which are at the two ends of the society spectrum. The white society which hosts parties and whose worries limit to fashion and looks, and the black society who have to battle daily through the preconceived ideas about blacks. The two stories have different language styles depending on the society they are talking about. In The New Dress, there is proper language using expressions such as, \u201cWhat a fright she looks!!\u201d (pg. 51). Instead, in How it feels to be Colored Me there is an improper use of languages in expressions like \u201cHowdy-do-well-I-thank-you-where-you-goin?\u201d(pg. 983) These two stories were assigned because they show two contradictory characters, both in personality and in class.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26577263","body":"Jennifer...
\nHow do we correctly apply punctuation to short stories?
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\nThis is good but the last sentence leaves me hanging... what do you mean class? Could you speak a little more of that? Who is to say that Mabel speaks 'well' and Zora not, and thus, who is of the higher or lower class. Feel free to quote or reference the texts.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283378956","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26621055","body":"Mr Webster i couldn't find that much proof that would support my second idea. I think was mostly interpreation, soo i changed my second idea to another reason i thought the stories were assigned","dateCreated":"1283465906","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Jenny-37715","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jenny-37715","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1282875040\/Jenny-37715-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26621157","body":"The story \u201cHow it feels to be Colored Me\u201d is about a young colored girl named Zora, who faces a critical society with confidence and with joy about her heritage. \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, on the other hand, presents a young lady named Mabel in the 1800\u2019s who also faces a critical society, but the character is affected by the criticism instead of standing up for herself. Both these stories were assigned in the same week because they contradict each other in the way the narrators choose to present their characters and because they both revolve around the thoughts of the characters. In \u201cHow it feels to be Colored Me\u201d the person who narrates the story is Zora. Zora presents herself as s black girl who is satisfied with her heritage and her way of being because of that heritage. She is a very conceited girl who decides that the color of her skin will not be an obstacle for her in life. She, as a strong character, is aware of the prejudice in society towards black people, but she does not let society\u2019s opinions affect who she is as a person. In a passage of the story where she is explaining society\u2019s views she says, \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression with me,\u201d (pg. 983) Society tries to make Zora feel bad for herself because she is black. However, Zora\u2019s character is not one to break under the judgmental knife of society. On the other, Mabel, the main character from \u201cThe New Dress\u201d, is presented by the Narrator as a weak character who is incapable of feeling good because of the criticism of high, white society people. In the story, Mabel\u2019s dress is criticized by many socialites which makes her feel unfashionable and depressed. She allows herself to be influenced by the opinions of the other socialites. Mabel wants to be valiant and stand up for herself but decides to listen to society. She does not have the power to be like Zora. She says, \u201cBut it was all paltry, weak blooded, and petty-minded to care so much at her age with two children, to be still so utterly dependent on people\u2019s opinions and not have principles or convictions..\u201d (pg. 54) Mabel knows that she is a spine-less person who would rather feel horrible about herself than to take a stand and own her choice of fashion.
\nThe other reason that these two stories were assigned in the same story is that they present the story through psychological perspective. \u201cHow it feels to be Colored Me\u201d and \u201cThe New Dress\u201d do not have that much dialogue but the stories take place in the minds of Zora and Mabel. \u201cThe New Dress\u201d is a narrative about what Mabel thinks everyone else is saying of her or what she thinks the looks towards her mean. For example, at the beginning of the party Mabel sees everyone looking at her and thinks, \u201cMabel had her first serious suspicion that something was wrong as she took her cloak off..\u201d (pg. 51) she thinks that something is wrong as son as she enters the room. However, there no dialogue in which someone says she looks bad; there is simply her mind and her thoughts. \u201cHow It feels To be colored me\u201d is all about what Zora thinks when people talk about her and what she thinks about herself. This is shown when Zora says, \u201cI found it out certain ways. In my heart as well as in the mirror,\u201d (pg. 983.) The story is about what Zora fells and what she thinks. Both these short stories show a type of narrative which revolves around the mind of its main characters.","dateCreated":"1283466071","smartDate":"Sep 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Jenny-37715","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Jenny-37715","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1282875040\/Jenny-37715-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26647331","body":"Thanks for going back to try and support your ideas.
\n
\nAnd thanks for changing this.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283528695","smartDate":"Sep 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26547709","dateCreated":"1283305734","smartDate":"Aug 31, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alabuda","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alabuda","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26547709"},"dateDigested":1531973922,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Honors question 2 Avi Labuda","description":"The narratives in the stories \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d and \u201cThe new dress\u201d are different. One would assign both of the stories in the same time in order to show various styles of writing. \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d appears to be like an autobiography. It is clear that the author writes in first person form, \u201cI am colored but I offer nothing in the way of extenuating circumstances except that fact that I am the only Negro in the United States whose grandfather on the mother\u2019s side was not an Indian chief.\u201d (pg.982). The main character named Zora is a self-confident, unique and little bit selfish, African-American girl, who always feels different than others. \u201cI do not belong to the sobbing school of Negrohood who hold that nature somehow has given the lowdown dirty deal and whose feelings are hurt about it.\u201d(pg.983). She enjoys talking with the white, northern tourists. As she phrases it,\u201d It is clear that I was the first \u2018welcome-to-our-state\u2019 Floridian\u201d. (pg.983). Zora disapproves and dislikes when someone from her family or neighborhood reminds her about the slavery from which many people have suffered. She answers them only with sarcasm, \u201cSomeone is always at my elbow reminding me that I am the granddaughter of slaves. It fails to register depression within me. Slavery is sixty years in the past. The operation has been successful and the patient is doing well, thank you.\u201d (pg.983). Zora is a very proud and independent young woman. On the other hand, Mabel, the main character in the story \u201cThe new dress\u201d, is constantly worried, preoccupied and insecure. She has a strong feeling that she is unattractive and everybody is always better than her,\u201d She saw herself like that \u2013 she was a fly, but the other were dragonflies, butterflies, beautiful insects, dancing, fluttering, skimming, while she alone dragged herself up out of the saucer.\u201d (pg.52) Mabel also thinks that everybody is trying to mock her. She sees nothing but sarcasm in their words. At one point in the story one woman called Rose Shaw decides to tell Mabel that she enjoys her dress,\u201d \u2018But my dear, it\u2019s perfectly charming!\u2019 Rose Shaw said, looking her up and down with that little satirical pucker\u2026Rose herself being dressed in the height of fashion.\u201d (pg. 52). Mabel feels attacked by others and behaves very shyly around them. Both of the stories were well paired together in order to show the readers how styles of writing can differ from each other. The stories let us meet two completely dissimilar characters; one being self-confident and proud, while the other one is being shy and obsessively panicked. The forms in which the stories were written diverse greatly, too. The \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d is written in the first person form, while in \u201cThe new dress\u201d some narrative person is telling us what happens to Mabel. The structure of \u201cThe new dress\u201d is a bit confusing and not well organized. The sentences are long and the reader can feel lost very easily. \u201cHow it feels to be colored me\u201d, however, is well-constructed, clean and comfortable during reading.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26577009","body":"Alright Agnieszka,
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\nThis is clear and decently done, but.... well if you are going to bring up the narrative in the first sentence and then briefly speak of it in the last two or three sentences and yet speak only of the story throughout the rest... well, I am not quite sure I quite understand your reasons. So... I will ask you a question: Why would Woolfe write in a style in which the "sentences are long and the reader can feel lost very easily"? I don't think that it was unitentional as she is very famous for her style. Can you address why this must be so?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283378698","smartDate":"Sep 1, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26696639","body":"Thank you for answering.
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\nYes I'm sure that a great writer like Woolf has some unique style of writing. I am confided that she made those "long confusing sentences" on porpoise because that how her style looks like. Nevertheless, this type of writing left me a little bit tired and confused.
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\nThanks,
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\nAgnieszka","dateCreated":"1283745243","smartDate":"Sep 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alabuda","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alabuda","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}