{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26858165","dateCreated":"1284078051","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jsutton26","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jsutton26","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961183\/jsutton26-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26858165"},"dateDigested":1531973982,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Hey PAPI CHULO!","description":"Faith, the belief of someone towards something. Chance, the absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, understood, or controlled. Chance and faith are both concept of the story A Good Man is Hard to Find. During the story this two concepts are highly imperative, and it is demonstrated various ways. The grandmother since the beginning had a bad feeling about the trip to Florida. She heard that there was a criminal nicknamed \u201cthe Misfit\u201d. The family and Bailey denied to pay any attention to the grandmother and decided to keep on with their trip. During the trip, the grandmother came up with the idea of visiting an old secret house with the panels. In the dirt road to Tennessee they encountered \u201cMurphy\u2019s law\u201d (the idea that anything that can go wrong will go wrong). The family had a terrible car accident. To prevent the family from encountering the Florida\u2019s criminal, \u201cThe Misfit\u201d, the grandmother convinces the family into a greater and more satanic death. The key of chance is highly demonstrated in this passage, \u201cShe turned red in the face and her eyes dilated and her feet jumped up, upsetting her valise in the corner. The instant the valise moved, the newspaper top she had over the basket rose with a snarl and Pitty Sting, the cat, sprang onto Bailey\u2019s shoulders.\u201d (Pg.5). The chance of bringing the cat to the trip, the chance of the cat being able to jump into Baileys shoulders is something out of the ordinary. Also, the fact that the family decided to take the trip towards Florida gave them a chance, a risk of encountering the criminal the Misfit. Faith acted in the story because the trip of the family was predestined although there were certain people objecting towards the trip. If the family would of change the trip to a different destination they would probably have been alive. Another act of faith in the story is the family\u00b4s death. in order for the death to have become reality, the family had to do certain actions that will line up perfectly to create their death. Faith and chance joined as an alliance, they made team in a way to make the accident of the family, to cause the death of this family.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937867","body":"Thanks Jonathan,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318787","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26856843","dateCreated":"1284076309","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ereiche","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ereiche","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1226183145\/ereiche-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26856843"},"dateDigested":1531973982,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Chance vs Fate; Erik Reiche","description":"Every event can be described as either an act of chance or of fate. In \u201cA good man is hard to find\u201d, both themes of chance and fate connect and solidify the plot. Chance is the possibility of something happening. Chance may also be described as the as the actions that are not predestinated. On the other hand, fate is the development of events beyond a person\u2019s control. In other words, fate is the actions that are determined by a natural power. chance is clearly shown when the grandmother\u2019s cat ends up in Bailey\u2019s shoulders. \u201cShe turned red in the face and her eyes dilated and her feet jumped up, upsetting her valise in the corner. The instant the valise moved, the newspaper top she had over the basket rose with a snarl and Pitty Sting, the cat, sprang onto Bailey\u2019s shoulders.\u201d (Pg.5) By chance, the cat fell onto Bailey\u2019s shoulders, which caused the accident. Even though this was a possibility, the cat also could have jumped into any other place or person of the car, instead of Bailey. Being this way, the accident could have never happen. Another example of a chance is when the family crosses paths with the Mist. By choosing to go to Florida, the family accepted the chance that they could cross paths with The Mist.
\nOn the other hand, fate also plays an important role on the events of the story. At the beginning of the story, even though the grandmother doesn\u2019t want to go to Florida, the family decides to keep their original destination. This predestined decision was the one responsible for the whole story. If the family had changed the destination of the trip, they would most possibly be alive. Another example of fate is the family\u2019s death. For the family death to occur, many events had to line up perfectly. In this case, the family\u2019s death was an effect of many events from the detour they took, to their encounter with the Mist that worked as a team to cause their tragic end. If one of these events hadn\u2019t happened, then the family would probably be alive. In other words, their death was predestinated before the trip even started; their fate was to die.
\nFate and chance describe every event and action that happens in our life. In this short story, fate and chance work in harmony in order to cause this tragic end.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937945","body":"Thanks Erik,
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318926","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26852625","dateCreated":"1284070600","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"AmandaTrejos","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/AmandaTrejos","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26852625"},"dateDigested":1531973982,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"amanda trejos","description":"Eng E Chance and Fate Amanda Trejos
\n Life is a journey surrounded by the \u201cwhat if?\u201d question. What if I hadn\u2019t opened the gate? Had my dog escaped even so? Chance and fate are defined as the possibility of something happening beyond a person\u2019s control, and this is the foremost magnitude found in \u201cA good man is hard to find\u201d. Since the very beginning, Bailey had no intention on going to Tennessee, he said he rather go to Florida. Chance appears in this occasion since the moment his mother persuaded him not to go. \u201cThe grandmother didn\u2019t want to go to Florida. She wanted to visit some of her connections in east Tennessee and she was seizing at every chance to change Bailey\u2019s mind\u201d (pg1). She tells him that the Misfit is loose and he was around that area. What if Bailey had said no, and had insisted for his family to go to Florida? If this had happened, the whole family had never encountered with the Misfit and had never been killed in this tragic manner. During the drive over to Tennessee, the kids exchange comic books and are entertaining themselves. Once they finish reading they get anxious and irritated and started annoying their grandmother. She tells them that if they are quiet, she will tell them a story of the place she lived when she was young. \u201cThere was a secret panel in this house, she said craftily, not telling the truth but wishing that she would, and the story went that all the family silver was hidden in it when Sherman came through but it was never found\u201d (pg 4). Once she shares her tale, the whole family decides to go to the location where the story had taken place. Since this exact moment, their fate became more and more precise. This story is the whole reason of their tragic ending. If the grandmother hadn\u2019t said this, they would have gone to Tennessee and they wouldn\u2019t have had any problems. One last example where chance and fate take role is the moment the grandmother realizes she had made a mistake. She suddenly remembers that where the story had taken place was not even close to where she was. \u201cThe horrible thought she had had before the accident was that the house she had remembered so vividly was not in Georgia but in Tennessee\u201d (pg 5). This sudden distraction and extreme anxiety caused the car to crash. \u201cWe\u2019ve had an accident!!\u201d The children cried. In the woods they see a car approaching, and their first instinct is to call for it and get help. The car came near them and this was when the massacre began.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937743","body":"Nicely done, Amanda, especially the unusual beginning.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318621","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26849181","dateCreated":"1284066106","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mekster","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mekster","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961126\/mekster-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26849181"},"dateDigested":1531973982,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"A good man is hard to find","description":"Chance and fate are both key elements to the story "A Good Man is Hard to Find", but it seems that fate has a bigger impact on the development of the plot and its conclusion. Fate and chance may be thrown out with the same connotations, people may take them as meaning the same, but actually, they hold a key difference. Chance is something that may happen, something that is based on odds and the outcome is not determined by anything. Fate on the other hand, is based on predestination, something that has already been decided and that will happen with a strong certainty. This family is supposed to make the trip, because even though there is a criminal at large, Bailey is still decided to stick with the plan. Even with such danger involved, the trip was not going to be cancelled or modified. The story begins with the grandmother being skeptical about going to Florida because she recently learned that a criminal, called the Misfit, was on the loose and was headed in the same direction. She tried to convince his son Bailey not to go, to show his kids some other places like Tennessee or some other place but Bailey was hell-bent on going to Florida as originally planned. We can see here that fate is involved. "The children have been to Florida before...You all ought to take them somewhere else for a change so they would see different parts of the world and be broad" pg. 1 The next morning, the whole family, Bailey, the grandmother, the mother, and June and John were all ready to begin their trip. On the way, the grandmother, as they are passing through a graveyard, recalls the plantation. On the way, the grandmother recalls and old plantation that she had visited in the neighborhood that they were passing by."she woke up and recalled an old plantation that she had visited...when she was a young lady" pg. 4. its not by mere chance that you get into an accident but instead, it is more because you were meant to be in an accident. Once the family crashes, a car comes their way and out of all people, it turned out to be the Misfit. What are the chances of that actually happening? Fate, being something that is meant to happen, makes this whole situation more likely to happen. Out of all roads, out of all places between the family and FLorida, the Misfit stumbled upon them. \u201cWe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! Nobody realizes what this is,\u201d (Pg. 7) Fate is definitely involved, for this situation is simply not logically explained by a vague 50\/50. Through all this, it can be seen that fate is much more heavily centered in the story that chance and its ambiguity. Fate determined the outcome of the story and there was no way that these victims could have escaped their destiny.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937657","body":"Very well written, Jaime,
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\nOne of the best responses in any of my classes all year.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318463","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26841365","dateCreated":"1284055935","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"cfgonzalez94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cfgonzalez94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26841365"},"dateDigested":1531973983,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"A Good Man is Hard to Find ","description":" Chance and faith are concepts that appeal through out the story A Good Man is Hard to Find . Chance is a possibility that something will happen, fair, unbiased, 50\/50. Faith on the other hand, is the true and confidence of something that will happen, something that has predestinated. Through the events in the story, there is a heavy influence of both aspects. First we see the presence of fate when Bailey and his gradmother have to decide whether to go to Teneessee or to Florida. The gradmother is afraid since \u201cThe Misfit\u201d, a criminal, is on the loose and is headed towards Florida, but Bailey does not want to change their plans. Even when the grandmother was afraid to go, the plan took its orignal path of destiny and the family was meant to go to Florida. Secondly, as the family was on the road, the gradmother remembered an old house with a secret pannel and the children were intrigued and were exited to go. The grandmother said that this would be an educational activity since Bailey at first refused the idea. Fate is not only present when the gradmother remembered the house, but also, because they were only one mile away from the entrance. Had they been any further, Bailey would have not taken the detour to the house, therefore making it seem as if it were their destinity to go to that house. Fate is not the only force that drives the plot to its climax, but change also fuses with this concept. We seen chance when there was a possibility that the grandmother with the actual location of the house, meaning that their whole journey through the dangerous road would have been a complete path of destiny. \u201cThe horrible thought she had had before the accident was that the house she had remembered so vividly was not in Georgia, but in Tenesse,\u201d (pg. 5). Fate also intervenes greatly in the part when The Misfit finds the wrecked car and the family along the dirt road. Out all the places where The Misfit could be, he ends up in the same place as the family and the grandmother. That is simply pure act of destiny. The family was supposed to die that day. \u201cYou are the Misfit...U recognized you at once,\u201d (pg. 6). Through all these, we can see that both chance and fate play a key role in the development of the story by mixing together and leading to the climax and ultimately the resolution of the story.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26849235","body":"Carlos,
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\nSome issues...
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\n1) How do we punctuate short stories again?
\n2) What do you mean by 'appeal' in the first sentence?
\n3) "Faith on the other hand, is the true and confidence..." what is wring with this?
\n4) and this- "something that has predestinated"
\n5) pannel
\n6) "Had they been any further, Bailey would have not taken the detour to the house,"... how do you know?
\n7) "We seen chance when there was a possibility that the grandmother with the actual location of the house, meaning that their whole journey through the dangerous road would have been a complete path of destiny." No lo entiendo.
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\nOtherwise, well done.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284066178","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26852691","body":"1) " A Good Man is Hard to Find"
\n2) Instead of the word 'appeal' use of are present
\n3) Faith on the other hand, is the complete trust or confidence that something will happen..
\n4) something that was meant to happen
\n5) the gradmother remembered an old house with a secret panel
\n6) We know this because Bailey had his mind set that they weren't going to the house, but when the grandmother said " It's not far from here, I know... It wouldn't take over twenty minutes", making Bailey change his mind. In other words if the house wasn't close enough, Bailey wouldn't of gone.
\n7) We see chance when there was a possibility that the grandmother didn't actually know the correct location of the house, meaning that this journey through the dangerous road was a complete path of destiny","dateCreated":"1284070672","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"cfgonzalez94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cfgonzalez94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26937811","body":"Great Carlos,
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\nAs attentive as always.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318719","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26803867","dateCreated":"1283987251","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"hansel.andrew","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hansel.andrew","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26803867"},"dateDigested":1531973983,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"will #3","description":" In the short story, A Good Man is Hard to Find the role of fate, meaning what will inevitably happen, and chance (being the unpredictable) make the families\u2019 journey cost them their life. The family\u2019s first mistake was to go on the trip to Florida. Running into a mass murderer was fate because they take this trip every year and even though they knew a mass murderer was on the loose, headed in that general direction, it wasn\u2019t going to stop them from travelling. They still took the chance and went. More specifically, it was chance that the grandmother took them on the wrong road looking for a house that was in Tennessee, nowhere near where they were at the time. It was fate that the grandmother felt so nervous about this and stepped on a cat, but then chance that the cat jumped on the father\u2019s neck and that the father turned the car over in a ditch.
\nIt was simply chance that the mass murderer came across them stranded on the side of the road and vulnerable after their accident. In the story the grandmother was just trying to protect herself. She was circumlocutiously trying to talk her way out of the situation and being murdered. Postponing his actions did her no good because it was her fate, at that moment, to die.
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\nThe murderers, on the other hand experienced fate as they found people that had clothes, because they were looking desperately for clothes, but it was totally left to chance that they found an entire family with suitcases packed full of clothes that they could squander. Further, because of the way that they grew up, it was fate that they would all end up in prison and more fate that they would continue killing even after they escaped prison. However, it was mere chance that they ran into this particular family off the highway.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26848921","body":"Will,
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\nThis is nicely and clearly stated... I certainly appreciate the adroit use of the word 'circumlocutiosly' even though it doesn't quite exist.
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\nBest about this is originality of speaking of fate in the actions of the murderers.
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\nYou've done a good job here, a bit short, but clearly written.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284065634","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26767957","dateCreated":"1283919226","smartDate":"Sep 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dmarin464","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dmarin464","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1225941095\/dmarin464-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26767957"},"dateDigested":1531973983,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"The Role of Chance and Fate in \"A Good Man Is Hard To Find\"","description":"In Flannery O\u2019Connor\u2019s \u201cA Good Man Is Hard To Find\u201d the roles of chance and fate coalesce and intertwine to drive the plot to its culmination and its denouement. Chance is present when the grandmother, at the preamble of the story, is adamant in avoiding traveling to Florida fearing a loose criminal nicknamed The Misfit. Instead she decides on a whim to visit one of her friends in Tennessee. She shows this determination when she \u201cwouldn\u2019t stay at home to be queen for a day,\u201d and \u201c[S]he wouldn\u2019t stay at home for a million bucks,\u201d (page 01). Fate plays its cards after the grandmother finishes her story to her grandchildren as they traveled to Tennessee and suddenly indicates to Bailey, her son who\u2019s driving, that there was a route that should have been taken a mile back. As the car turns back and channels roughly through the dirt road, the car flips over and experiences an \u201cACCIDENT!\u201d as the children repeatedly yelled out in their shock. To the grandmother\u2019s dismay, she realized right before the accident that they were still passing through Georgia, and the route she remembered so well was not in Georgia, but in Tennessee. Fate rolls double-sixes and has the Bailey family trapped on a dirt road waiting for a car to pass by. Serendipity is star-crossed when the only car that passes by happens to be driven by The Misfit, the last person the family would hope for in the situation they were in. Whether chance lead to destiny or fate was embedded by choice, the matrix of chance and fate\u2019s double helix resulted in meeting up with the Misfit. In the haphazard chain-link of chance, factors line up to epitomize the coincidences of the family\u2019s hapless demise starting from the choice to leave home and head to Tennessee rather than Florida to the decision to betake an off-road trail in the wrong direction. The chance of The Misfit being the only car to pass by sealed the fate of the family\u2013\u2013thus chance and fate join together as the macabre events unfold with The Misfit and his two men killing the rest of the family\u2013\u2013one by one. Despite the grandmother\u2019s attempt to use religious faith to change her destiny, the sandglass dropped its last grain of sand and The Misfit delivered the coup de gr\u00e2ce and killed her disregarding her arguments to be \u201ca good man\u201d. The roles of chance and fate led inexorably to the climatic end of the story, resulting in the deaths of all family members.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26798543","body":"Daniel,
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\nGood work... This is much better writing, but still with your trademark vocabulary. There is only one sentence which I really can't get: "Whether chance lead to destiny or fate was embedded by choice, the matrix of chance and fate\u2019s double helix resulted in meeting up with the Misfit." But the writing here is strong and lucid.
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\nHowever, could you please go back and provide me with the definitions of 'chance' and 'fate'? Then go back and read this and tell me whether you still agree with your initial ideas.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283978870","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26805915","body":"Mr. Webster,
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\nThanks for your great insight. Sometimes, I myself find my scintillating syntax to obscure meaning; unless I'm standing right beside you to explain what I'm thinking. Haha.
\nHere is the edited version with the changes noted by *. I hope you like it. Happy Jewish New Year! Hag Sameaj!
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\nIn Flannery O\u2019Connor\u2019s \u201cA Good Man Is Hard To Find\u201d the roles of chance and fate coalesce and intertwine to drive the plot to its culmination and its denouement. Chance is present when the grandmother, at the preamble of the story, is adamant in avoiding traveling to Florida fearing a loose criminal nicknamed The Misfit. Instead she decides on a whim to visit one of her friends in Tennessee. She shows this determination when she \u201cwouldn\u2019t stay at home to be queen for a day,\u201d and \u201c[S]he wouldn\u2019t stay at home for a million bucks,\u201d (page 01). Fate plays its cards after the grandmother finishes her story to her grandchildren as they traveled to Tennessee and suddenly indicates to Bailey, her son who\u2019s driving, that there was a route that should have been taken a mile back. As the car turns back and channels roughly through the dirt road, the car flips over and experiences an \u201cACCIDENT!\u201d as the children repeatedly yelled out in their shock. To the grandmother\u2019s dismay, she realized right before the accident that they were still passing through Georgia, and the route she remembered so well was not in Georgia, but in Tennessee. Fate rolls double-sixes and has the Bailey family trapped on a dirt road waiting for a car to pass by. Serendipity is star-crossed when the only car that passes by happens to be driven by The Misfit, the last person the family would hope for in the situation they were in. <\/strong>*Flannery keeps the double helix of chance and destiny spiraling in the matrix of our minds as he continually forces his reader to question whether chance events lead the characters to their destiny or their fate was predestinated to occur*. In the haphazard chain-link of chance, factors line up to epitomize the coincidences of the family\u2019s hapless demise <\/strong>*starting with the chance decision to go to Tennessee and thereby avoid a criminal on the loose, to the chance error of ending up on an off-road trail to correct a navigating mistake. In continuing the role that chance plays in Flannery's story,*** the chance of The Misfit being the only car to pass by sealed the fate of the family\u2013\u2013thus chance and fate join together as the macabre events unfold with The Misfit and his two men killing the rest of the family\u2013\u2013one by one. Despite the grandmother\u2019s attempt to use religious faith to change her destiny, the sandglass dropped its last grain of sand and The Misfit delivered the coup de gr\u00e2ce and killed her disregarding her arguments to be \u201ca good man\u201d. The roles of chance and fate led inexorably to the climatic end of the story, resulting in the deaths of all family members.","dateCreated":"1283989873","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dmarin464","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dmarin464","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1225941095\/dmarin464-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26806491","body":"Once again the wiki has deceived me by correcting the three asterisks by taking the three asterisks and placing the last asterisk of the first trio making the text bold to the first asterisk of the other trio of asterisks. I blame that on myself. Ironically, it solved the first problem of trying to bold my text.
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\nSo now, without further due, here is my response with changes in bold. Haleluya.
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\nIn Flannery O\u2019Connor\u2019s \u201cA Good Man Is Hard To Find\u201d the roles of chance and fate coalesce and intertwine to drive the plot to its culmination and its denouement. Chance is present when the grandmother, at the preamble of the story, is adamant in avoiding traveling to Florida fearing a loose criminal nicknamed The Misfit. Instead she decides on a whim to visit one of her friends in Tennessee. She shows this determination when she \u201cwouldn\u2019t stay at home to be queen for a day,\u201d and \u201c[S]he wouldn\u2019t stay at home for a million bucks,\u201d (page 01). Fate plays its cards after the grandmother finishes her story to her grandchildren as they traveled to Tennessee and suddenly indicates to Bailey, her son who\u2019s driving, that there was a route that should have been taken a mile back. As the car turns back and channels roughly through the dirt road, the car flips over and experiences an \u201cACCIDENT!\u201d as the children repeatedly yelled out in their shock. To the grandmother\u2019s dismay, she realized right before the accident that they were still passing through Georgia, and the route she remembered so well was not in Georgia, but in Tennessee. Fate rolls double-sixes and has the Bailey family trapped on a dirt road waiting for a car to pass by. Serendipity is star-crossed when the only car that passes by happens to be driven by The Misfit, the last person the family would hope for in the situation they were in. *Flannery keeps the double helix of chance and destiny spiraling in the matrix of our minds as he continually forces his reader to question whether chance events lead the characters to their destiny or their fate was predestinated to occur*. In the haphazard chain-link of chance, factors line up to epitomize the coincidences of the family\u2019s hapless demise *starting with the chance decision to go to Tennessee and thereby avoid a criminal on the loose, to the chance error of ending up on an off-road trail to correct a navigating mistake. In continuing the role that chance plays in Flannery's story,* the chance of The Misfit being the only car to pass by sealed the fate of the family\u2013\u2013thus chance and fate join together as the macabre events unfold with The Misfit and his two men killing the rest of the family\u2013\u2013one by one. Despite the grandmother\u2019s attempt to use religious faith to change her destiny, the sandglass dropped its last grain of sand and The Misfit delivered the coup de gr\u00e2ce and killed her disregarding her arguments to be \u201ca good man\u201d. The roles of chance and fate led inexorably to the climatic end of the story, resulting in the deaths of all family members.","dateCreated":"1283990657","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dmarin464","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dmarin464","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1225941095\/dmarin464-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26806529","body":"i give up trying to bold my text...","dateCreated":"1283990711","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dmarin464","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dmarin464","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1225941095\/dmarin464-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26848279","body":"Thanks Daniel,
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\nListen, next time make it easier for both of us and just give me the information with numbers or bullet points so you don't have to go back into the text and fool around with it... but thanks very much for trying to make it easier.
\nI'm still a little confused with the matrix sentence, but that is fine.
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\nAnd Flannery O'Connor is a woman, not a man.
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\nHappy New yEar to you as well.
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\nBest,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284064741","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26761463","dateCreated":"1283908444","smartDate":"Sep 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"arifishman95","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/arifishman95","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26761463"},"dateDigested":1531973983,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Ari Fishman","description":"In the short-story \u201cA Good Man Is Hard to Find\u201d from Flannery O\u00b4connor chance and fate have a big role. It could be said that the grandmother\u00b4s selfishness and pure fate are part of the main reasons that lead to the final consequences, but, as a counterexample, we know that since the beginning \u201cThe grandmother didn\u2019t want to go to Florida\u201d; which decision would probably have prevented the accident, and the murder. As the story unfolds, we see that the events happened mainly because of chance. First, even thought the Grandma had selfish reasons to not go to Florida (visit her connections), she constantly argues that they shouldn\u2019t go there. She says that there is a criminal called \u201cthe Misfit\u201d out there, and that is very dangerous. When the family stops to have dinner, this argument gets re-confirmed by Red Sam when he replies to the grandma about the criminal \u201cA good man is hard to find\u2026 Everything is getting terrible. I remember the day you could go off and leave your screen door unlatched. Not no more\u201d. Still, after that conversation, Bailey and the rest of the family doesn\u2019t care about it. This shows that even though they are many ways and reasons to prevent the final, fate takes care of it, and makes it happen. Then, another event that leads to the accident is the lie the grandmother says about the old house with secret panels. The old and dirty road where the accident happened, was no their destination, but as the grandma convinced the family, it gradually started becoming it. Again, chance takes care of making things happen. Finally, it can be inferred that if the grandmother wouldn\u2019t have talked that much during the encounter of the criminals and the family, maybe the consequences wouldn\u2019t ended up being as bad as they did. This short-story has a sort of butterfly effect; an effect that is caused by the actions you do and the decisions you make, with a lot of \u201chelp\u201d from chance and fate.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26798343","body":"Ari,
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\nWhat do you mean the grandmother's 'pure fate'? Are you sure that you have correctly defined the differences between fate and chance in this post... It seems that you are mixingthem into one idea.
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\nThink this over please...
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283978602","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26863183","body":"You are right Mr. Webster, but the problem its not the meaning of fate, it is because it is not well said. I meant the grandmothers\u00b4 selfishness and pure fate, as two separate things. Here is a new sentence.
\nIt could be said that pure fate with the hand of the grandmother\u00b4s selfishness are part of the main reasons that lead to the final consequences\u2026","dateCreated":"1284083808","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"arifishman95","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/arifishman95","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26937887","body":"Alright then Ari,
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318833","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26761117","dateCreated":"1283908077","smartDate":"Sep 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"nikki-wiki","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nikki-wiki","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26761117"},"dateDigested":1531973983,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Nikki Mora A Good Man is Hard to Find.","description":"\u201cA Good Man is Hard to Find \u201c shows very well the meaning to fate and chance, they both play a big role in this story. At the very beginning of this short story we can see that chance appears immediately when the grandma says she doesn\u2019t want to go to Florida for several reasons such as, her wanting to visit some old friends, that there is a criminal running loose heading for Florida and that she wouldn\u2019t take the children anywhere with a criminal running aroun, and that the kids have already visited Florida and that it is better if they go and see somewhere new so they become more broad. As they begin traveling towards Tennessee they stop at a restaurant and the owner of the restaurant tells them about The Misfit and how there aren\u2019t many people who can be trusted in these times. After they leave this restaurant fate suddenly appears in the story when the grandma starts telling the kids about this house that was nearby that had a secret panel and both kids wanted to see this house with the secret panel so even though Bailey, the father, did not want to take them there they still turned around and started heading towards the house when suddenly a cat jumps out and onto Bailey and they have a car accident. Ironically after their accident, three men appear and come down, it was The Misfit, the one the grandma had been trying to avoid with this trip appears and kills everyone. This shows fate and chance because as the definition of fate says, it is a power that predetermines events, and as they wanted to avoid the criminal they just ran into him.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26798209","body":"Nikki,
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\nThanks, but I am not so sure that I understand your reasoning in the second sentence (which by the way is way way too long and needs to be edited.)How does that list of things illustrate the concept of chance? You need to explain this. I would also like you to re-examine your ideas of fate towards the end of this posting- it also doesn't quite add-up.
\nLastly, you must go through and re-work these sentences... they are way too long and unstructured and difficult to understand.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283978399","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26736419","dateCreated":"1283872048","smartDate":"Sep 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"melafavini","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/melafavini","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26736419"},"dateDigested":1531973984,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"melanie favini","description":"In the story A Good Man is Hard to Find, fate and chance makes a big role. We can see this when the grandmother says she doesn\u2019t want to go to Florida, but to Tennessee, for several reasons, first she wants to visit some of her connections in Tennessee, then she makes Bailey read the paper and trying to make him understand that a criminal is on his way to Florida and how \u201cI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that aloose in it.\u201d Also, she later says how \u201cthe children have been to Florida before, you all ought to take them somewhere else for a change so they would see different parts of the world and be broad.\u201d For the whole family getting killed at the end of the story it was kind of ironic, but also fate, since meeting The Misfit at the end of the story was a development of an event beyond a person\u2019s control. Also, chance makes a big role in this specific example because they chose going to Florida and not listening to their grandmother and ignoring the fact that even if it wasn\u2019t 100% possible, they still had a possible chance to encounter The Misfit. Some other quotations which explain fate are, \u201cbut nobody\u2019s killed\u201d, June Star says this trying to be persuasive. Also, \u201cmaybe a car will come along,\u201d says the mother who is trying to calm the family down. Chance and Fate also show up because of all the religious things the grandmother said, there could have been a chance that The Misfit could change by those words she expressed, since this family clearly shows it has a lot of fate, there could have been a chance of fate, that the grandmother\u2019s religious views could impact The Misfit.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26797991","body":"Melanie,
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\n1) How do we punctuate short stories?
\n2)"fate and chance makes a big role."
\n3) "...but to Tennessee, for several reasons, first she wants to visit some of her connections in Tennessee, then she makes Bailey read the paper and trying to make him understand that a criminal is..."
\n4)"they chose going to Florida "
\n5) "all the religious things the grandmother said, there could have been a chance that The Misfit could change by those words she expressed, since this family clearly shows it has a lot of fate, there could have been a chance of fate, that the grandmother\u2019s religious views could impact The Misfit."
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\nFurthermore, I feel that you don't really explain your quotations too well here... You seem to assume that the references will explain themselves. You must help the reader understand what you mean.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283978132","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26799009","body":"1)"A Good Man is hard to Find"
\n2)Fate and chance make a big role meaning that those both themes really come up in the story.
\n3) I'm talking about the grandmother who wants to go to Tennessee and she is persuading her family to go there instead of Florida.
\n4) They chose to go to Florida, instead of Tennessee
\n5) The talk about God the grandmother gave might have changed The Misfit's mind, the family shows throughout the story that they do handle fate so there could have been a chance of fate in that specific example, and change The Misfit's mind.","dateCreated":"1283979469","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"melafavini","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/melafavini","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26848329","body":"Thanks Melanie,
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\nBut are you going to explain your quotations a bit more.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284064845","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}