{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27619573","dateCreated":"1285619142","smartDate":"Sep 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"negrasolano","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/negrasolano","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961550\/negrasolano-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27619573"},"dateDigested":1531974058,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"the man who was almost a man.","description":"Dave Glover is a guy that thinks that by buying a gun he will become a grown,mature man. He saw it as a way of gaining respect, and of him getting a "loan".Once he convinces his mom of buying the gun, the rule that his mom gave him was to bring it back home directly after he buys it.But Dave doesn't even pay attention to this, and goes to the plantation when he has the gun at his power.He thinks by going there he can shoot ones and nobody will hear it.He then shoots\/kills Mr.Hawkins mule, Jenny by "Accident". Dave's mom can notice that he is not the same when he gets home, which caused him to burst out the truth about what had really happened, but people's reaction is totally different of what he expected.Everybody started laughing at him.What he wanted since the beginning was to make people see that he had grown up,become more mature,and powerful,but it was the total opposite.Everybody in the town still looked at him as a immature and powerless, just like before.When everybody is laughing at him he takes his gun with him and leaves the town.I don't think Dave is fully responsible of killing the mule. He seems so desperate for power because of the way he feels about what people think of him, he has always been obligated to work, and it's like his trapped and has no way out or no choice to choose what he wants or follow his dreams.He is naive or innocent by not knowing what a gun can cause, and how a gun isn't going to make his problems better,just worst.I don't think David knows the true responsibilities that come with becoming an adult. His child hasn't been the best and he doesn't feel quite focused, if you stop and see he has no clue on what he really wants, he's immature and that isn't under his control,lack of education helps him not know the consequences that come with buying a gun. But it isn't all his fault. In a way the killing of the mule is like a new opening for him to realize what he did, and for him to realize that he has to change, and now he has a chance to slowly change.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"27530003","dateCreated":"1285372073","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"taeyang","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/taeyang","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223342653\/taeyang-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27530003"},"dateDigested":1531974058,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Who was almost a man","description":"There is a man who was almost a man his name is "Dave Glover". He is a african american.
\nHe wants to become a real man. So in the story he tries to buy a gun."Waal, Ahma buy a gun", so he asks to mister Joe, and Mr.Joe says. "Say if you wanna buy a gun, why don't you buy one from me? I gotta gun to sell."(1113) But his mother doesn't let him to have a gun "Who yuh git it from?", so Dave says "Frome Joe, down at the sto". and she takes his Catolog, and screams "Quit hollerin at me! Whut's wrong wid yuh? Yuh crazy?"(pg 1114) His mom doesn't understand Dave's fear, that he wants to be a real man. I think Dave has to be more mature, because he thinks that by having a gun, he can be real man. But I don't think so, because a gun is nothing for me. But for him, it's a symbol of being mature. Finally he begins to play with a gun. And he meets a accident. "Ah brung ol Jenny down here sos Ah could do mah plowin. Ah plowed bout two rows, just like yuh see.".. "Ahh ddinn gggo tt sshooot hher...Ah sswear ffo Gawd Ahh ddin... Ah wuz a -trying t sssee ef the old gggun would sshooot" (pg 1119) He has to pay for that muel, but he doesn't want to. He decides to run away from the town. And he leaves. This story tells me that whatever you want to do is fine, but think before you do that, and if you going to regret then don't do that eventhought it is accident.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27530021","body":"i didn't have internet until 5:20 sorry about that. but not late !! :)","dateCreated":"1285372125","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"taeyang","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/taeyang","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223342653\/taeyang-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27608719","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285609223","smartDate":"Sep 27, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27520843","dateCreated":"1285356525","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pprada","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pprada","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1315457538\/pprada-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27520843"},"dateDigested":1531974059,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"DAVE","description":" Dave, the main character from the book "The Man Who Was Almost a Man", was not fully responsible for the death of Jenny the mule. When he bought the gun his purpose was to feel manly. He didn\u2019t buy it with the intention of killing, harming, or even injuring anyone. He wanted the gun to feel more power, to feel respected, and to feel manly. The narrator demonstrates this when he says: \u201cIn the gray light of dawn he held it loosely, feeling a sense of power. Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white. And if he were holding his gun in his hand, nobody could run over him; they would have to respect him,\u201d (Pg.1116). This quote shows his intentions were to have more power. When Dave shoots Jenny, it was not his intention. He was just shooting to feel power, and jenny got in his way. He doesn\u2019t have to take full responsibility of the death of Mr. Hawkins\u2019s mule because he didn\u2019t have control over her actions. He didn\u2019t know she was going to get in his way when he was going to shoot. He states it was not his intention to kill the mule when he says \u201cAh waznt shooting at tha mule\u201d(page 1117). Dave feels really bad for his actions when Jenny dies. He was even crying:" Dave looked at Jenny's stiff legs and began to cry" (Pg.1119). This shows he did care about Jenny and he had no reason to shoot her on purpose, because he had no bad intentions. He had no control in the actions of the mule, and she got on her way while he was shooting, because he was shooting to \u201cnowhere\u201d just to feel manlier. It wasn\u2019t his fault Jenny got in the way.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27522511","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285358565","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27486541","dateCreated":"1285301006","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Linndzy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Linndzy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1290198368\/Linndzy-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27486541"},"dateDigested":1531974059,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"The man who was almost a man\" response","description":"In \u201cThe Man who was Almost a Man\u201d Dave does a lot of things that shouldn\u2019t be credited for but in a way he can\u2019t very well be blamed for them either. Dave is an unsophisticated and confused young man. The day that he came rushing home with the hope of getting his gun he hadn\u2019t put any actual thought into the matter. All he wanted was to be accepted by others and he wanted to be considered a man. He was tired of being treated like a little kid and he thought that having a gun would change the way that people talked to him and treated him. When he found out that he could get a gun for only $2 he ran home and begged him mom to let him have one. Dave\u2019s mother knew that he wasn\u2019t ready for the responsibility of a gun and she didn\u2019t think he really needed one. But what she did know was that having a gun around the house would be handy if they ever really needed it. When he got the gun he was really excited to be able to use his very own gun, so he took it to work with him so he could \u201ctest it\u201d. When he finally got a chance to test his gun he didn\u2019t know how to use it, he had never before in his life shot a gun and he didn\u2019t know what to expect, so when the gun was more powerful than he expected he couldn\u2019t really aim it that well because he didn\u2019t know how to hold it strait, so the fact that he shot the mule wasn\u2019t anything he could have stoped. There is nothing he could have done to prevent the mule being shot. In all his excitement he didn\u2019t know what he was doing, he just knew what he wanted to do. Dave can be blamed for killing the mule its not like he wanted to in the first place.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27503437","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339815","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27485301","dateCreated":"1285298748","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SolSpier","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SolSpier","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27485301"},"dateDigested":1531974059,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"D4V3","description":"Dave, the protagonist of "the man who was almost a man" is a boy who tries to become a man by buying a gun. He thinks that if he owns a gun, he will gain the respect of others. \u201cIn the gray light of dawn he held it loosely, feeling a sense of power. Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white. And if he were holding his gun in his hand, nobody could run over him; they would have to respect him,\u201d (Pg.1116). Dave is finally able to buy the gun from Joe, with the permission of his mother, Ms. Saunders. Neither of these adults took in consideration the consequences of a young man in the possession of a gun. Dave takes the gun and shoots it. He accidentally shoots Jenny, Mr Hawkin's, mule. He is then held responsible for what he did, and told to pay for it. David should not be held responsible for the death of Jenny. He is not even 18 yet, so he actually shouldn't legally be held responsible for his actions; the people he let him buy a gun should be. Ms. Saunders gave Dave the money and permission to buy the gun. Although Dave had no good reason to buy the gun, she let him. Joe sells the gun to Dave. Joe knew that Dave didn't know how to use a gun, but he still sold it to him. He should have at least taught Dave how to use a gun. Dave is only an immature, 17 year old boy who was allowed to be in the possession of a gun by the authorization of two irresponsible adults. He is therefore not responsible for his acts.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27485323","body":"last word- actions. sorry","dateCreated":"1285298780","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SolSpier","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SolSpier","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27503331","body":"Sol,
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339719","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27476817","dateCreated":"1285289101","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jose_4595","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jose_4595","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27476817"},"dateDigested":1531974059,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"the man who was almost a man","description":"there was a seventeen year old boy named Dave. Dave wanted to be a real man. Dave thinks that the only way for him to be a real man is buying a gun. he doesnt plan on killing someone because he said that to mr. joe on page 1114. when he was practicing his shooting he accidentaly shot and killed mr. Hawkins mule. then he paniked because he kknew that he would get in trouble, so he lied, until his mom made him tell the truth in front of many people and when he said it everyone started laughing. Mr.Hawking made him give hin fifty dollars bebcase he killed his mule. Dave felt very humilieted because everyone started laughing at him, also because nobody respects him and that is why he wanted to buy the gun in the first place. i think that is not the way to make yourself be respected, it makes people fear you instead of respect, but it didnt work out for Dave and he just made evryone laugh at him. Dave didnt know how to use his gun, that is why he killed the mule. he was lucky that he didnt kill a person because the consequences would have been a lot worse than the ones he faced. it wasnt Daves fault that he killed Jenny, all he wanted was to be a man, although he used the wrong way to become one he didnt deserve to pay mr. hawkin the fifty dollars, he had to understand that he was just a teenager and that he wasnt thinking logically.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27503189","body":"Thanks Jose,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339637","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27471317","dateCreated":"1285282694","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pjoaristi321","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pjoaristi321","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27471317"},"dateDigested":1531974060,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Paulina Joaristi","description":"Dave Saunders is an average adolescent struggling with growing up. He is tired of his African American background that gives him to no opportunities in life. He feels trapped in a world that strips him of his personal and economic power. Dave sees his life as a series of abuses and humiliations. He lacks the education and opportunities to make his life better because of the social background. " Ahma beg her t gimme some money. Ahm lo enough to have gun. Ahm seventeen. Almost a man." (Pg.1113) Dave believes that acquiring a gun will end his adolescence and transform him into a real man. He sees the gun as the solution to all his problems and compensation for all his weaknesses. We can see this in (Pg.1116) \u201cIn the gray light of dawn he held it loosely, feeling a sense of power. Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white. Holding his gun in his hand, nobody could run over him; they would have to respect him.\u201d Ultimately Dave only wants the respect and independence he believes he deserves. Possessing a gun actually brings more responsibility than what Dave thinks. He later on accidentally kills Jenny, Mr. Hawkins\u2019s mule." Dave's stomach felt empty, very empty. "(Pg 1118) Dave feels bad about Jenny\u2019s death. He didn't know what he was doing and could not do anything to prevent Jenny from dying once she had been shot." Dave looked at Jenny's stiff legs and began to cry" (Pg.1119) It is clear that Dave is still a child even though he desperately seeks the journey to manhood. He\u2019s not yet ready. Dave's lying only gets him into more trouble, and his behavior only proves to us that he is unprepared for the responsibilities that growing up bring. "All the crowd was laughing now" (Pg.1119) Dave is tired of being teased and ridiculed. In the end Dave's situation in the social environment was what made him take those actions. He didn't kill anyone and did not mean to kill Jenny. We must remember he is still a child, and like one he fails to realize that his actions, including his lying, will only bring him more problems in the future. His lack of education makes him blind. If he could have only seen beyond, he would have known that a gun could not buy him independence, power, respect and much less manhood. Knowing all this he would have never taken the actions he did.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27503105","body":"Well done,
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339569","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27402669","dateCreated":"1285183098","smartDate":"Sep 22, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27402669"},"dateDigested":1531974060,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Dave's Defense-Melanie Velado","description":"The protagonist, Dave, in the story \u201cThe Man who was Almost a Man\u201d is young man who is almost seventeen years old, who has a low maturity level, who lacks education, and who has a strong desire for power and respect such as the white people. As I had mentioned before, Davie is a young man who wants to have equal power and respect like the white men. \u201cIn the gray light of dawn he held it loosely, feeling a sense of power. Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white. And if he were holding his gun in his hand, nobody could run over him; they would have to respect him,\u201d (Pg.1116) This statement clearly reflects his way of thinking. He believes that if he owns a gun that he will be able to gain power and respect. He also lacks education because he is not conscious of the danger of owning a gun could be. As he tried shooting the old gun, he \u201caccidentally\u201d killed Mr. Hawkins\u2019s mule. He was desperate to hide the truth because he knew that he would have to face big consequences, so he decided to lie\u2026until his mother made him confess the truth and the whole crowd watching this laughed. After confessing what he had done, Mr. Hawkins demanded Dave to pay him fifty dollars because of killing his mule. \u201cSomething hot seemed to turned over inside him each time he remembered how they laughed\u2026Nobody ever game him anything. All he did was work. They treat me like a mule, n then they beat me,\u201d (Pg. 1120) This statement clearly reflects that he was humiliated at the fact that the crowd had laughed at him. This statement also reflects the reason why he wants possession of a gun, and that is because he is treated unfairly while he works and as a person in general. I believe that he wanted the gun for the wrong reasons, but he is just a teenager who wasn\u2019t aware of the danger that a gun could bring, and the terrible consequences that he would have to face if he killed someone. His main goal was to \u201cbecome a man\u201d by buying and shooting a gun, but it is a shame that because of his lack of education, he is not aware that he can become a man with other actions, not by shooting a gun in order to gain respect and power.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27443363","body":"Melanie,
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\nA couple of issues:
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\n1) What does "...and respect such as the white people," mean?
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\n2) Please take out all first-person pronouns: 'I', 'me', 'my', 'mine'.
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\n3) Could you clean up the following sentence- "He also lacks education because he is not conscious of the danger of owning a gun could be."
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\n4) And this: "Mr. Hawkins demanded Dave to pay him fifty dollars"
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\n5) I also think that you have not really spent much time defending Dave and his actions. It seems that you have spent more time just telling us what happened. Could you improve this please?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285252925","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27469813","body":"The protagonist, Dave, in the story \u201cThe Man who was Almost a Man\u201d is young man who is almost seventeen years old, who has a low maturity level, who lacks education, and who has a strong desire for power and respect like a man. \u201cIn the gray light of dawn he held it loosely, feeling a sense of power. Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white. And if he were holding his gun in his hand, nobody could run over him; they would have to respect him,\u201d (Pg.1116) This statement clearly reflects his way of thinking. He believes that if he owns a gun that he will be able to gain power and respect. He also lacks education in the way that he doesn\u2019t understand the danger that owning a gun might be. As he tried shooting the old gun, he \u201caccidentally\u201d killed Mr. Hawkins\u2019s mule, Jenny. Dave was so excited about owning a gun that he started to shoot the gun down by the woods. He knew that Jenny was near him but he didn\u2019t shoot the gun with the intention of harming Jenny. \u201cHe found himself on his knees, squeezing his fingers hard between his legs. His hand was numb; he jammed it into his mouth trying to warm it, trying to stop the pain\u2026 He did not quite know what had happened.\u201d (Pg.1117) This statement reflects that Dave was very immature with the fact that he underestimated the power of the gun. He wasn\u2019t aware of how powerful the gun could be and how much danger the gun could bring. He is only a seventeen-year-old young man who was excited about owning a gun, and didn\u2019t have full control over the power of the gun. He also didn\u2019t have control over Jenny; he couldn\u2019t stop or force her to gallop another way, therefore he isn\u2019t completely responsible for shooting Jenny and he shouldn\u2019t need to pay fifty dollars to Mr. Hawkins. Dave\u2019s only goal was to \u201cbecome a man\u201d by buying and shooting a gun, but unfortunately, he wasn\u2019t aware of what the consequences of shooting a gun might be. It\u2019s a shame that by his lack of education and immatureness, he wasn\u2019t aware that he could \u201cbecome a man\u201d by doing other actions besides shooting a gun in order to gain respect and power.","dateCreated":"1285280770","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27502843","body":"Melanie,
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\nPlease fix your answers like I have asked the students to do so in class. I do not want to have to go back into your paragraph and search for your corrections so (once again) please provide me with your corrections in the following manner:
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\nJust follow my numbers and correct the rrors accordingly.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339437","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27511519","body":"1) "... and respect such as the white people" means that he wants equal power and respect like the white race. Even though he's black, he wants equal power and respect like the white people.
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\n2) I already eliminate the firs person pronouns such as 'I', 'me', and 'mine'.
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\n3) He also lacks education in the way that he doesn\u2019t understand the danger of owning a gun might bring.
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\n4) "...he isn\u2019t completely responsible for shooting Jenny and he shouldn\u2019t need to pay fifty dollars to Mr. Hawkins"
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\n5) \u201cHe found himself on his knees, squeezing his fingers hard between his legs. His hand was numb; he jammed it into his mouth trying to warm it, trying to stop the pain\u2026 He did not quite know what had happened.\u201d (Pg.1117) This statement reflects that Dave was very immature with the fact that he underestimated the power of the gun. He wasn\u2019t aware of how powerful the gun could be and how much danger the gun could bring. He is only a seventeen-year-old young man who was excited about owning a gun, and didn\u2019t have full control over the power of the gun. He also didn\u2019t have control over Jenny; he couldn\u2019t stop or force her to gallop another way, therefore he isn\u2019t completely responsible for shooting Jenny and he shouldn\u2019t need to pay fifty dollars to Mr. Hawkins. Dave\u2019s only goal was to \u201cbecome a man\u201d by buying and shooting a gun, but unfortunately, he wasn\u2019t aware of what the consequences of shooting a gun might be. It\u2019s a shame that by his lack of education and immatureness, he wasn\u2019t aware that he could \u201cbecome a man\u201d by doing other actions besides shooting a gun in order to gain respect and power.","dateCreated":"1285347641","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27513919","body":"Thanks so much for fixing that Melanie,
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\nIt makes life easier for you and for me.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285350136","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27371367","dateCreated":"1285124929","smartDate":"Sep 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"joseph86","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/joseph86","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27371367"},"dateDigested":1531974060,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"in daves defence","description":"Dave, a 17 year old boy, wants to be treated like a man. To earn this respect Dave thinks that he should buy a gun, to show his manhood. Dave says to mr. joe on page 1114 \u201cshucks. Mistah Joe, Ahm gittint be a man like anybody else\u201d this prooves that he has no intencion what-so-ever to kill a living organism. when dave shot the gun he was not eve looking so he didn\u2019t know where he was shooting. It says on page 1117 \u201cdave walked about 20 feet, held the gun far out from him at arm`s length, and turned his head. Hell he told himself, Ah ain afroaid.\u201d Once again there is proof that he only wanted to become a man. This statement also proooves that dave had no intencion to kill the mule, jenny. Another state ment that porves that he had no intecion to kill is on page 1117 it says \u201cAh waznt shooting at tha mule.\u201d As one can see dave han no intecion to kill and his motivation to grab a gun and shoot was the be a man. Another reason why dave is inocent is that he didn\u2019t know where he was shooting. He dint know that jenny was stariaght forward from the gun. To. So Dave thought that he had shot the field not the mule. It says on page 1117 \u201cge did not know what had happened.\u201d This also shows that dave was at no point trying to kill jenny. explain this type of irrational actions I am going to seek a scientific angle. It is scientificly shown that the front lobe of the brain in teenagers is not fully connected. This part of the brain controls the \u201cconcience\u201d. Since dave is jut a teenager his front lobe is not connected therefore his conciense is not \u201ctellig\u201d him what to doSo after he relaizes what he has done he goes and tries to fix it. It says on page 1118 \u201c then he stopped and grabbed handsfull of damp black earth and tried to plug the bullet hole\u201d this show that even though he shot the mule accidently he tried to fix it. All these resons show that dave is an inoccent teenager.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27394261","body":"Alright Joseph,
\n
\nYou write: "Dave says to mr. joe on page 1114 \u201cshucks. Mistah Joe, Ahm gittint be a man like anybody else\u201d this prooves that he has no intencion what-so-ever to kill a living organism." Why? How does that prove anything? I would like you to explain this more thoroughly. There are also three spelling mistakes in that sentence.
\nThen you state that "dave walked about 20 feet, held the gun far out from him at arm`s length, and turned his head. Hell he told himself, Ah ain afroaid.\u201d Once again there is proof that he only wanted to become a man. This statement also proooves that dave had no intencion to kill the mule, jenny." Really? Why? I'm not sure that I see any connection here. I think that you need to support and explain your arguments more clearly.
\nAlso, Joseph, I don't really see that you have proofread this too well... consider the following... "This statement also proooves that dave had no intencion to kill the mule, jenny. Another state ment that porves that he had no intecion to kill". There are so many errors here that it shows me you have not really read this over.
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\nBasically, I want you to re-write this.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285173296","smartDate":"Sep 22, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27424977","body":"Dave, a 17 year old boy, wants to be treated like a man. To earn this respect Dave thinks that he should buy a gun, to show his manhood. Dave says to Mr. Joe on page 1114 \u201cshucks. Mistah Joe, Ahm gittint be a man like anybody else\u201d this proves that his intention to buy a gun was to be treated like a man. After he brought the gun home he seceded to use it. However he did not shoot the gun the conventional. He shot the gun without looking at where he was pointing. It says on page 1117 \u201cDave walked about 20 feet, held the gun far out from him at arm`s length, and turned his head. Hell he told himself, Ah ain afraid.\u201d This statement also proves that Dave had no intention to kill the mule, jenny; he was just shooting, in his mind, to the vat empty space. Another statement that proves that he had no intention to kill is on page 1117. It says \u201cAh waznt shooting at tha mule.\u201d This is a more direct quote that shows that Dave has no intention of killing the mule. Another reason why Dave is innocent is that he didn\u2019t know where he was shooting. He dint know that jenny was straight forward from the gun. So Dave thought that he had shot the field not the mule. It says on page 1117 \u201che did not know what had happened.\u201d This also shows that Dave was at no point trying to kill jenny. Explain this type of irrational actions I am going to seek a scientific angle. It is scientifically shown that the front lobe of the brain in teenagers is not fully connected. This part of the brain controls the \u201cconscience\u201d. Since Dave is just a teenager his front lobe is not connected therefore his conscience is not \u201ctelling\u201d him what to do. So after he realizes what he has done he goes and tries to fix it. It says on page 1118 \u201c then he stopped and grabbed handsfull of damp black earth and tried to plug the bullet hole\u201d this show that even though he shot the mule accidently he tried to fix it. All these reasons show that Dave is an innocent teenager.","dateCreated":"1285208261","smartDate":"Sep 22, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"joseph86","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/joseph86","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27444907","body":"Alright, Joseph,better, but...
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\nsome problems...
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\n1) he seceded to use it
\n2)he did not shoot the gun the conventional
\n3)to kill the mule, jenny;
\n4)to the vat empty space.
\n
\nYou did, however, do a much better job supporting your arguments.
\n
\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster
\n5)He dint know that jenny","dateCreated":"1285253932","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27486913","body":"Dave, a 17 year old boy, wants to be treated like a man. To earn this respect Dave thinks that he should buy a gun, to show his manhood. Dave says to Mr. Joe on page 1114 \u201cshucks. Mistah Joe, Ahm gittint be a man like anybody else\u201d this proves that his intention to buy a gun was to be treated like a man. After he brought the gun home he decided to use it. However he did not shoot the gun the conventional way. He shot the gun without looking at where he was pointing. It says on page 1117 \u201cDave walked about 20 feet, held the gun far out from him at arm`s length, and turned his head. Hell he told himself, Ah ain afraid.\u201d This statement also proves that Dave had no intention to kill the mule; he was just shooting, in his mind, to the vast empty space. Another statement that proves that he had no intention to kill is on page 1117. It says \u201cAh waznt shooting at tha mule.\u201d This is a more direct quote that shows that Dave has no intention of killing the mule. Another reason why Dave is innocent is that he didn\u2019t know where he was shooting. He didn`t know that Jenny was straight forward from the gun. So Dave thought that he had shot the field not the mule. It says on page 1117 \u201che did not know what had happened.\u201d This also shows that Dave was at no point trying to kill Jenny. Explain this type of irrational actions I am going to seek a scientific angle. It is scientifically shown that the front lobe of the brain in teenagers is not fully connected. This part of the brain controls the \u201cconscience\u201d. Since Dave is just a teenager his front lobe is not connected therefore his conscience is not \u201ctelling\u201d him what to do. So after he realizes what he has done he goes and tries to fix it. It says on page 1118 \u201c then he stopped and grabbed handsfull of damp black earth and tried to plug the bullet hole\u201d this shows that even though he shot the mule accidently he tried to fix it. All these reasons show that Dave is an innocent teenager.","dateCreated":"1285301966","smartDate":"Sep 23, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"joseph86","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/joseph86","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27503575","body":"Joseph,
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\nCould you please show me your corrections like I have asked in class:
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\n1).....
\n2).....
\n3).....
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\nJust follow my numbers and correct the errors accordingly.
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\nThis way neither you nor I have to go back into the text and search around for the mistakes or corrections.
\n
\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285339919","smartDate":"Sep 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27320073","dateCreated":"1285045991","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"daniaiz","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/daniaiz","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27320073"},"dateDigested":1531974061,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Daniel Aizenman","description":"In defense of Dave. Dave should not be the one that should pay for the mule because he didn\u2019t do it on purpose. We can see that Dave didn\u2019t do this on purpose when Dave says to Jim Hawkings:\u201dAh wuzn shooting at the mule. The gun jumped when I pulled the trigger\u201d,(pg 119). What he says is true because Dave didn\u2019t wanted to shoot the mule because we can see when the narrater says\u201d he knew he had to stop that blood or Jenny would bleed to death\u201d, page(117) and also when the narrator says \u201c He chased the mule for a half a mile, trying to catch her\u201d, page(117) Normally the chances of shooting a mule and trying to save it so it doesn't doesn\u2019t die are very rare, but in this case Dave does the impossible for saving the mule. Also, we can see that Dave is not ready to have a gun because he is not a man yet and normally to control a gun, one should be to older than Dave. We know that Dave is not a man yet because when Dave is persuading his mother and he tells her \u201c Ma, Ahm almos a man now. Ah wants a gun, (page 116). Also we can see this when Dave tells to himself \u201c Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white\u201d(page 116). Normally guns are used for protection and not a demonstration for power. People who think that they have a gun to show power are normally the people who turn out getting in trouble or teen agers. This example fits in with teen agers because teen agers tend to think that they know everything and that almost no one is as smart as they are. Dave should never have had permission of buying a gun due towards what he thinks of the usage of guns and also because he is not a man yet.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27354573","body":"Thanks Daniel,
\n
\nSome issues:
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\n1)What is wrong with this sentence? "What he says is true because Dave didn\u2019t wanted to shoot the mule..."
\n2) And this... "...one should be to older than Dave."
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\nOther than these small problems this is rather good... You have made a decent case for defending Dave.
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\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285106144","smartDate":"Sep 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27360411","body":"In defense of Dave. Dave should not be the one that should pay for the mule because he didn\u2019t do it on purpose. We can see that Dave didn\u2019t do this on purpose when Dave says to Jim Hawkings:\u201dAh wuzn shooting at the mule. The gun jumped when I pulled the trigger\u201d,(pg 119). We also know that this is true because we notice the narrater saying\u201d he knew he had to stop that blood or Jenny would bleed to death\u201d, page(117) and also when it says \u201c He chased the mule for a half a mile, trying to catch her\u201d, page(117) Normally the chances of shooting a mule and trying to save it so it doesn't doesn\u2019t die are very rare, but in this case Dave does the impossible for saving the mule. Also, we can see that Dave is not ready to have a gun because he is not a man yet and normally to control a gun, one should be a man or be more mature. We know that Dave is not a man or mature yet because when Dave is persuading his mother he tells her \u201c Ma, Ahm almos a man now. Ah wants a gun, (page 116). Also we can see this when Dave tells to himself \u201c Could kill a man with a gun like this. Kill anybody, black or white\u201d(page 116). Normally guns are used for protection and not a demonstration for power. People who think that they have a gun to show power are normally the people who turn out getting in trouble or teen agers. This example fits in with teen agers because teen agers tend to think that they know everything and that almost no one is as smart as they are. Dave should never have had permission of buying a gun due towards what he thinks of the usage of guns and also because he is not a man yet.","dateCreated":"1285113377","smartDate":"Sep 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"daniaiz","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/daniaiz","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27393875","body":"Alright Daniel,
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\nThanks,
\n
\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285172738","smartDate":"Sep 22, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}