{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27214809","dateCreated":"1284764458","smartDate":"Sep 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"taeyang","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/taeyang","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223342653\/taeyang-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27214809"},"dateDigested":1531974063,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"The swimmmer","description":"A Mythic hero is a fictional being of great strength and courage famed for his or her bold exploits. There is a Mythic hero in the story "The Swimmer", and his name is Neddy Merrili. In the story he seems like, he likes to drink, likes to have party. One day he was having party, and he realized that he can "swim home" through public pools. He seems like hero too, when he swims around each house. "The only maps and charts he had to go by were remembered or imaginary but htese were clear enough. First there were the Grahams, the Hammers, the Lears, the Howlnands, and the Crosscups...(page 1234). But his neighbors don't like him that much when he swims people say get out "Hey, you, you without the identification disk, get outa the water."(page 1237) And he did. Later he came back to home his house was empty. Because he sawm for too long time. "He had swum too long, he had been immersered too long, and his nose and his throat were sore from the water."(page1240). He tried to get into house, he finally entered, but it was empy, and dark "He tried the garage doors to see what cars were in but the doors were locked and rust came off the handles onto his hands...looking in at the windows, saw that the place was empty."(page1241). I found some similarities between "The Odyssey" and this story. They both do journey, and meet people, have fun, and they come back. The odysseus, and Nedy both mythic heroes, they both think they both famouse, they both show their strength during their journey. But the ending is different, Odysseus comes back and have happy ending, but not Nedy. Nedy should take care of his family, or himself, rather than being hero , and famouse.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27298199","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285015681","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27211093","dateCreated":"1284757056","smartDate":"Sep 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pprada","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pprada","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1315457538\/pprada-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27211093"},"dateDigested":1531974064,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Paula Prada","description":" Neddy Merrill resembles Odysseus\u2019 mythical character. Both books talk about a voyage, in which their main goal is getting back home. Odysseus has an affair with Calypso while being with Penelope. So does Neddy, he has an affair with Shirley while being with Lucinda. They both have obstacles to go through. Odysseus gets distracted by the creatures and the big monsters and so, he also gets out of his path by gods that have more power than he does. Neddy, is also distracted and gets out of his main path by his surroundings. His neighbors, and other people against his believes question him and look down at him when we jumps in his neighbor\u2019s pools to get back home. Also, Odysseus didn\u2019t have a straight trip back home; he had to stop in different places. He would stop in different islands, to feed his crew, and get all the necessary to keep on to his voyage home. Neddy doesn\u2019t have a straight trip back home, he would swim from a pool to another, because there was no straight pool that would go from where he was to his house. They both had to stop several times in order to keep with their long voyages. They had small trips in between, but all the small trips together would equal the same as a big voyage. They both were really smart and knew where they were going. Odysseus had a great crew, and he was a brilliant man, whom many admired, the book makes him look as if he were the best. Neddy in the other hand was a cartographer and he had a great idea of what his route back home was. They were both really orientated. They were both welcomed in every place they stopped. Odysseus had hospitality everywhere he stopped at. So did Neddy, because his neighbors would give him hospitality. They were both really determined to get back home. Odysseus would fight EVERYTHING in order to reach his destination. Neddy is also very determined he says: \u201cHe climbed up the ladder and wondered if he had the strength to get home\u201d. ( page 1240)","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27298139","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285015606","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27186467","dateCreated":"1284729687","smartDate":"Sep 17, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pjoaristi321","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pjoaristi321","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27186467"},"dateDigested":1531974064,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Paulina Joaristi","description":"A mythological hero is a fictional being of great strength and courage famous for his or her bold exploits. They came to be known for facing danger, displaying courage and the will for self sacrification. Heroes would do all this for some greater good of all humanity. Neddy Merril is a very confident and fearless character. At the beginning of the story his actions seem like something heroic and legendary. The author tries to reinforce this by saying; \u201cHe had made a discovery, a contribution to modern geography; he would name the stream Lucinda after his wife. He was not a practical joker nor was he a fool but he was determinedly original and had a vague and modest idea of himself as a legendary figure." (Pg.1234) Neddy has achieved all the extras of success and is surrounded by friends and family. He takes comfort in being a well respected member of society. When Neddy gets the idea to swim home through the pools, he sees himself as a brave explorer, setting off for the unknown from a home that is stable and secure. He sees himself as an "original" and a "legendary figure" that is making an important discovery. We the readers might see him as a hero for contributing to modern geography and carrying the rich life he had. Even though the author early on tries to convince us of the character\u2019s heroism, as we read on we come to realize he actually has very few qualities of a true hero. As Neddy makes his journey across the country, we see that interior emptiness and hopelessness are his only companions. Although Neddy seems to have a perfect and happy life, he nevertheless remains isolated from others. He can\u2019t remember facts about his friend\u2019s lives and neither his. "This breach in his chain of water disappointed him absurdly, and he felt like some explorer who seeks a torrential headwater and finds a dead stream" (Pg.1236) His fantasies about exploring eventually disappear as his journey becomes harder and stranger. Neddy does not look like a great explorer and hero any more- he loses his way and finds himself forced to face the consequences of his actions and the harsh reality of aging for the first time in his life. "It was probably the first time in his adult life that he had ever cried" (Pg 1240) He is no longer confident and fearless. Instead he becomes more and more miserable and bewildered.
\nAt the end of the story, Neddy is no longer original or legendary. He is simply cold, alone, and confused. At the beginning Neddy can remind us of Odysseus because he is described as a hero full of strength, courage and confidence. Later on in the story we notice that they do not share heroism in common at all. The only similarity that remains between them is the long trip they both took and the time they spent away their loved ones. Their journeys became lifelong endeavors.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27298093","body":"Thanks Paulina,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285015540","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27177181","dateCreated":"1284697240","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SolSpier","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SolSpier","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27177181"},"dateDigested":1531974064,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Don't wait for your ship to come in - swim out to it.","description":"A mythical Hero is a fictional being of great strength and courage famed for his or her bold exploits. Neddy is a hero, but he is a hero for himself. He creates his own voyage, with a goal which is to swim across the county and return home. Ned shows heroic characteristics like perseverance bravery, and strength. Ned reaches a point where he can either continue his journey, or take the easy way home, by just crossing the road. Although he is extremely fatigued, he decides to complete his journey, and take the hard way around. Ned shows us his bravery when he arrives at the public pool. It stank like chlorine, and was probably not very clean. Although he was a little bit frightened, it was a part of his journey, so he swam through it. He was "determined to complete his journey even if it meant putting his life in danger," (1237). Ned has much physical strength as well as psychological strength. It takes much physical strength to complete his voyage, but most importantly, psychological strength. At one point, Ned feels exhausted and cold, as if he would never feel warmth again; despite these feelings, he has the psychological strength to keep going. It is said that we need to be satisfied with ourselves, before we seek to satisfy others. Neddy is a hero for himself, which is what matters the most. Neddy "had a vague and modest idea of himself as a legendary figure," (1234). Neddy may not seem heroic to others, nor could his journey seem like an epic voyage, but it is to him. This makes Ned a hero, for himself. If there is any one mythical hero Neddy is like, it is Odysseus. Although Odysseus' journey is much more hard core, Neddy's journey is something like that. They are on a journey home, they pass many different places, meet different people, encounter difficulties, but finally return home. They both return to find things very different. Odysseus finds his house and wife are surrounded by suitors, while Ned finds his house is empty. Both men were unloyal; Odysseus on Calypso's island, and Ned with a woman from his county. They both go through great danger, Odysseus several times almost killed; while Ned went through the danger of jumping in a public pool. Both men lost track of time on their way home. Odysseus is idolized by plenty, yet Ned idolizes himself, both men are true heros.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27296341","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285013242","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27176655","dateCreated":"1284696044","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"joseph86","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/joseph86","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27176655"},"dateDigested":1531974064,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"the swimmer","description":"A mythic hero is a fictional character that has great strength and courage famous for its actions. (wiki answers). To resemble a mythical hero he has to fit in these three sub-categories. Neddy is considered to be a courageous. he realizes that he can swim home. To swim the entire county is not easy, one has to be secure with one self and one has to have courage. For example on page 1240 \u201che had swam too long, he had been immersed too long his nose and his throat were sore\u2026 but went down the steps into the icy water and swam\u2026\u201d this shows both a courageous personality and a strength in his heart. Not only does he have strength in his heart but also he has to have great physical strength. This is also proven when at the end after all that swimming and all that exhaustion he arrived home and started to pound his door with all his strength. \u201cHe shouted, pounded on the door, tried to force it with his shoulder \u2026\u201c. He is also famous for all his because he covered all those homes and saw all those people; his story was even made into a movie. However Neddy is not much of a hero to me. What he did does not exactly heroic. He actually just made a journey home but in a very original way, swimming. \u201cIt even says on page 1234 \u201cthe Making his way home by an uncommon route gave him the feeling that he was a pilgrim, an explorer\u201d this shows that he is just a pilgrim or just an explorer. That is not a mythical hero. Neddy, out of all the characters I could think of, reminds me a lot of Ulysses. He took the long way home; in both cases they traveled by water. But on page 1234 \u201ca man with a destiny; and he knew that he would find friends all along the way,\u201dneedy also talks about destiny, as if it were his destiny to go that way, such as Ulysses.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27296255","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285013113","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27171011","dateCreated":"1284688351","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Linndzy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Linndzy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1290198368\/Linndzy-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27171011"},"dateDigested":1531974065,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"The Swimmer\" revised","description":"A mythic hero is a fictional being of strength and courage famed for his\/her bold exploits. Neddy Merrill set a goal, he was 8 miles away from his home and he decided to swim. He swam in the pools of several people that seemed to form a river, and he stopped only to have a drink. One thing that could make Neddy have the appearance of a mythic hero is in the fact that he uses all the strength he has to accomplish his goal. Even toward the end of the story it talks about how tired he is because he used up all of his strength because he was so determined. Another thing that could identify him as a mythic hero is his courage. Even when he was so tired that he could hardly pull himself out of the pool he had the courage to keep going and the determination to make it all the way to his house. \u201cHe had done what he wanted, he had swum the country, but he was so stupefied with exhaustion that his triumph seemed vague.\u201d He was so tired from all of his hard work and efforts that he couldn\u2019t even enjoy his victory of accomplishing his goal. He comes up with and accomplishes his own bold exploit. It was bold of him to swim 8 miles home through people\u2019s pools in the way that he did, without stopping. But I also think that he isn\u2019t a mythic hero because of a lot of the things he spends his time doing. Thinking of a hero doesn\u2019t usually bring to mind someone who spends his time drinking and wasting away his life. In the beginning of the story he talks about his wife and his daughters, and it seems like he cares for them very much. But then he passes through the yard of this woman that he had an affair with and it can be inferred that he and his family went through a lot of problems because of some of the gossip that you overhear. Also he seems to be a bit full of himself. When he sees the woman that he had the affair with he thinks that she will still not be over him and that she will fall at his feet and beg him to take her back. But she had already moved on with her life and gone with someone else. \u201cShe seemed confused to see him and he wondered if she was stiff wounded. Would she, God forbid, weep again... looking over his shoulder he saw, in the lighted bathhouse, a young man.\u201d She had moved on, obviously getting over him. But he thinks himself too irresistible to be forgotten so easily. There are a lot of things that he does that most wouldn\u2019t classify him to be called a mythic hero.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27296191","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285013030","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27164029","dateCreated":"1284682233","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jose_4595","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jose_4595","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27164029"},"dateDigested":1531974065,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"the swimmer","description":"A mythical hero is a fictional character with great strength and bravery who is recognized by his great adventures. In the story \u201cThe Swimmer\u201d Neddy lives in the suburbs of Westchester County. One day he was in a party and he noticed that by making a different route only by swimming in public and private pools, he can go home. He felt like he was an explorer. He also thought about all the people he could meet on his way home. He swam through many pools on his way home but when he got to the Hallorans\u2019 pool they told him that they were sorry for his misfortunes, which were that he sold his house and something had happened to his family but he denied it and kept going. After he left the Hallorans\u2019 house, he went to many pools and eventually ended in a bar where he was treated badly and there he noticed that his social standing decreased. He didn\u2019t know what was going on which tells us that he was very lost and confused. I think that he is not a mythical hero because of this adventure, but he does have a similarity with a mythical hero, it is Odysseus from the Odyssey. They are alike because they both had an adventure without their family therefore, they couldn\u2019t know what was going on while they were gone. Another similarity they have is that they are both brave and audacious because he kept going no matter who or what came in the way, just like Odysseus. In a way, Neddy is a mythical character because he had the courage to walk to every pool he found on his way home and jump in it, swim across it, and keep going until he finds another pool, which can be many because he could have lived far away from the Westerhazy\u2019s house. But, Neddy didn\u2019t do anything out of this world, all he really did was swim home and any person who can swim can do that, the only thing is that it\u2019s very boring and tiring. Neddy can be seen as both a mythical hero, and he cannot be seen as one, all you got to do is think what is a mythical hero to you and read the story to answer that question.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27296143","body":"Thanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285012966","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27153271","dateCreated":"1284669922","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Linndzy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Linndzy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1290198368\/Linndzy-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27153271"},"dateDigested":1531974065,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"The Swimmer\"","description":"A mythic hero is a fictional being of strength and courage famed for his\/her bold exploits. Neddy Merrill set a goal, he was 8 miles away from his home and he decided to swim. He swam in the pools of several of his friends and stopping several times to have a drink. One way that you could see Neddy as a mythic hero is in the fact that he uses all the strength he has to accomplish his goal. Even toward the end of the story it talks about how tired he is because he used up all of his strength because he was so determined. Another thing that could identify him as a mythic hero is his courage. Even when he was so tired that he could hardly pull himself out of the pool he had the courage to keep going and the determination to make it all the way to his house. \u201cHe had done what he wanted, he had swum the country, but he was so stupefied with exhaustion that his triumph seemed vague.\u201d He was so tired from all of his hard work and efforts that he couldn\u2019t even enjoy his victory of accomplishing his goal. He comes up with and accomplishes his own bold exploit. It was bold of him to swim the 8 miles home through people\u2019s pools in the way that he did, without stopping. But I also think that he isn\u2019t a mythic hero because of a lot of the things he spends his time doing. When I think of a hero, I don\u2019t think of someone who spends his time drinking and wasting away his life. In the beginning of the story he talks about his wife and his daughters, and it seems like he cares for them very much. But then you find out about this woman that he had an affair with and you can infer that he and his family went through a lot of problems because of some of the gossip that you overhear. Also he seems to be a bit full of himself. When he sees the woman that he had the affair with he thinks that she will still not be over him and that she will fall at his feet and beg him to take her back. But she had already moved on with her life and gone with someone else. \u201cShe seemed confused to see him and he wondered if she was stiff wounded. Would she, God forbid, weep again... looking over his shoulder he saw, in the lighted bathhouse, a young man.\u201d She had moved on, obviously getting over him. But he thinks himself too irresistible to be forgotten so easily.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27154163","body":"Lindsey,
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\nCould you fix up these sentences and phrase, please?
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\n1)"Neddy Merrill set a goal, he was 8 miles away from his home and he decided to swim." (two mistakes)
\n2)"He swam in the pools of several of his friends and stopping several times to have a drink."
\n3) "One way that you could see..."
\n4) "Even toward the end of the story it talks about..."
\n5) "the 8 miles home..."
\n6) "When I think of a hero, I don\u2019t think of..."
\n7) "then you find out...", "you can infer that he...",
\n8) I would also like a conclusion sentence.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284671003","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27153067","dateCreated":"1284669628","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"negrasolano","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/negrasolano","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961550\/negrasolano-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27153067"},"dateDigested":1531974065,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"the swimmer nicole solano","description":"Neddy Merril lived in the Suburbs of Westchester County, and he had the goal and plan of \u201cswimming the county\u201d and he would name the stream the Lucinda River after his wife.He had the plan of doing this by going through all the houses and public pools that would lead him to his home again.At the beginning of the story he was well received by his neighbors, they would offer him a drink, they would be happy to see him. But as the story proceeds you can see that the reaction of the neighbors becomes different.When he reaches the house of the Halloran\u2019s they tell him \u201cWe\u2019ve been terribly sorry to hear about all your misfortunes,Neddy.\u201d \u201c Why, we heard that you\u2019d sold the house and that you poor children...\u201d.When he replies with no clue of what Mrs.Hallloran is talking about we see that he is having a loss of memory, or a sort of denial of what he was going through.He then goes to the Biswanger\u2019s and he is treated disrespectfully, because apparently he had asked her for money.He then comes back home and finds his house empty, his family had left.In my point of view Neddy Merril isn\u2019t a mythical hero. A mythical hero is a fictitious character of great strength and courage,famed for his bold useYes he is brave,determined, and courageous. And it\u2019s impressive how he never gave up when he was treated bad, and how he actually made it back to his house.All the sacrifices he made to achieve this whole adventure, were \u201cworth it\u201d because he achieved what he wanted,but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s what makes a mythical hero.He didn\u2019t demanded respect when he was suppose to. He didn\u2019t care about his family, and he didn\u2019t really have the hang of things, so he should\u2019ve put his priorities straight and see what he thought was best, and he chose being a \u201chero\u201dwhich didn\u2019t quite work out for him.A mythical hero\u2019s are Odysseus,Aprhrodite,and Hercules. He is like Odysseus in the way that they are both going through a adventure, they both lost sense of time,and they lost track of what had happened to their families.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27153779","body":"Good Nicole,
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\nMake sure that you write in the present tense... this is imoportant.
\nAlso, what is wrong with "when he was treated bad"?
\nAnd towards the end you say that Ned "...didn\u2019t demanded respect when he was suppose to. He didn\u2019t care about his family, and he didn\u2019t really have the hang of things, so he should\u2019ve put his priorities straight and see what he thought was best..." Good, but examples or evidence from the book would be nice.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284670541","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"27152245","dateCreated":"1284668529","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27152245"},"dateDigested":1531974065,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Melanie Velado Reponse- \"The Swimmer\"","description":"A mythological hero is considered to be a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength and ability, an illustrious warrior, a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities, or a man that shows great courage. I believe that Neddy Merill resembles a mythic hero in the way that he is very courageous, he is an adventurer, and is very secure of himself and his actions. An example that demonstrates that he is considered a legendary figure or a hero is in this phrase: \u201cHe had made a discovery, a contribution to modern geography; he would name the stream Lucinda after his wife. He was not a practical joker nor was he a fool but he was determinedly original and had a vague and modest idea of himself as a legendary figure,\u201d (Pg. 1234) This quote reflects that Neddy considers himself to be a \u201clegendary figure\u201d and also believes that he is a hero in the way that he contributed to modern geography by putting a new name to the county\u2019s stream. I also believe that Neddy may be considered a hero because he is a very audacious adventurer. \u201cMaking his way home by an uncommon route gave him the feeling that he was a pilgrim, an explorer, a man with a destiny; and he knew that he would find friends all along the way,\u201d (Pg. 1234) This quote demonstrates that Neddy is a hero in the way that he is an explorer who is anxious to find a new route to his home, and is also confident that he will find friends along the way. It is definitely an enthusiastic adventurer that is looking forward to. Even though he reflects many mythical hero characteristics he also lacks some characteristics. \u201cHe found himself unprepared. He was laughed at, jeered at, a beer can was thrown at him, and he had no dignity or humor to bring to the situation,\u201d (Pg.1237) This quote demonstrates that Neddy may not resemble a perfect hero because he had no dignity or humor to bring to the embarrassing situation that he was in. He was not prepared to defend himself or demand respect like a real hero. Neddy reminds me of Odysseus because he is very adventurous, audacious and bold. He also abandons his family like Odysseus, and takes the time that he needs in order to complete his adventure and doesn\u2019t give up even though many obstacles are present.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27153391","body":"Thanks Melanie,
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\nA couple of things about the following quoate... "\u201cHe had made a discovery, a contribution to modern geography; he would name the stream Lucinda after his wife. He was not a practical joker nor was he a fool but he was determinedly original and had a vague and modest idea of himself as a legendary figure,\u201d (Pg. 1234) This quote reflects that Neddy considers himself to be a \u201clegendary figure\u201d and also believes that he is a hero in the way that he contributed to modern geography by putting a new name to the county\u2019s stream." Alright, but just because someone considers himself a 'legendary figure' does that mean they actually are one? And also, the Lucinda stream... is this actually a real stream?
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\nAlso, if Odysseus is considered a mythical hero, well, didn't he also get laughed at and jeered at along the way? How is his reaction different than Ned's?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284670071","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27158873","body":"A mythological hero is considered to be a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength and ability, an illustrious warrior, a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities, or a man that shows great courage. I believe that Neddy Merill resembles a mythic hero in the way that he is very courageous, he is an adventurer, and is very secure of himself and his actions. An example that demonstrates that he is a strong man is the following quote: \u201cHe hoisted himself up on the far cur-he never used the ladder-and started across the lawn. When Lucinda asked where he was going he said he was going to swim home,\u201d (Pg. 1234) I believe that this demonstrates his strength because he can do things on his own without using objects like ladders, he is self-confident and independent, and he is also very brave and resistant in order to \u201cswim home\u201d. Swimming home requires a lot of physical resistance because he plans in swimming through the \u201cLucinda River\u201d which is the chain of pools in the county. There are several pools that he has to swim and he never gives up until he arrives at his destination, home. I also believe that Neddy may be considered a hero because he is a very audacious adventurer. \u201cMaking his way home by an uncommon route gave him the feeling that he was a pilgrim, an explorer, a man with a destiny; and he knew that he would find friends all along the way,\u201d (Pg. 1234) This quote demonstrates that Neddy is a hero in the way that he is an explorer who is anxious to find a new route to his home, and is also confident that he will find friends along the way. It is definitely an enthusiastic adventurer that is looking forward to. Even though he reflects many mythical hero characteristics he also lacks some characteristics. \u201cHe found himself unprepared. He was laughed at, jeered at, a beer can was thrown at him, and he had no dignity or humor to bring to the situation,\u201d (Pg.1237) This quote demonstrates that Neddy may not resemble a perfect hero because he had no dignity or humor to bring to the embarrassing situation that he was in. He was not prepared to defend himself or demand respect like a real hero. Neddy reminds me of Odysseus because he is very adventurous, audacious and bold. He differs from Odysseus in the way that he was unprepared to confront uncomfortable situations, unlike Odysseus who was always prepared for these situations such as the suitors at home. Even though the suitors laughed at Odysseus, he didn\u2019t pay attention to them and he demanded respect when he revealed himself as Odysseus, not as a beggar, and defeated all of them with the arrow test in order to marry Penelope. Besides that, Neddy also abandons his family like Odysseus, and takes the time that he needs in order to complete his adventure and doesn\u2019t give up even though many obstacles are present.","dateCreated":"1284677273","smartDate":"Sep 16, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27296043","body":"Thanks Melanie,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1285012864","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}