{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26902023","dateCreated":"1284157600","smartDate":"Sep 10, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"taeyang","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/taeyang","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1223342653\/taeyang-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26902023"},"dateDigested":1531974067,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Chance And Fate","description":"Chance and Fate take really important roles in the story "A Good man is hard to find". First of all, we have to know the definitions of the words "Chance", and "Fate". Fate is a power that some people believe controls and decides everything that happens, in a way that cannot be prevented or changed. Chance is posibility, luck, an unknown element that seems to have no assignable cause.
\nAt the end of the story grandma dies, the question is "Was her death the result of fate, or result of chance?". I think it was the result of fate, because she had read about the Misfits in the newspaper "she stood with one hand on her thin hip and the other rattliong the newspaper at his bald head.'Here this fellow that calls himself The Misfit is aloose from the Federal Pen and headed toward Florida and you read here what it says he did to these people..."(page 1). So she had information about The Misfit, and the family was looking for the house, but it was not there and they met 3 men, and there was the Mistfit. And the grandmother recognized that he was the Misfit, "The grandmother had the peculiar feeling that the bespectacled man was someone she knew. His face was as familiar to her as if she had known him all her life but she could not recall who he was....The grandmother shrieked. She scrambled to her feet and stood staring. "You're The Misfit!" she said. "I recognized you at once!"(page 2). So the Misfit told to the grandma and said "Yes'm,.. but it would have been better for all of you, lady, if you hand't of reckernized me." (page 2) What he said there is he was going to kill the family, because the grandma recognized that. But what if she hadn't read that newspaper, and didn't recognized that the Misfit? Maybe, the family and the grandma woudln't have died. It wass a fated death. Everything that happend to the family was related to the death. Grandma read the Misfit in the newspaper, and they started trip. They lost the way to go to the house, and they met the Misfit, and grandma recognized that he was the Misfit. And they got killed because she recognized.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937533","body":"Well-written, Brian...
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318226","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26857335","dateCreated":"1284076879","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jose_4595","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jose_4595","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26857335"},"dateDigested":1531974067,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"a good man is hard to find","description":"Chance and fate are two different things, and in the story there are many examples of both fate and chance. Chance is a possibility of something to happen; fate is that it will happen. The story is written trying to explain life; when you are a child, an adult, and when you\u2019re old and u die. When they are getting ready to get in the car, they are in their childhood moments getting prepared for the adulthood, which is when they are in the car. When they die is when they are in the stage of oldness and death. This is an example of fate because they drove directly towards their death. Chance appears when the cat jumps on Bailey which made him have the accident, it is chance because there was also probability that the cat jumped on someone else. When the car stops and the Misfit comes out of the car has both fate and chance because the probability that when you crash and a criminal stops right in front of you and kills you isn\u2019t that high; but, it\u2019s a little odd that the Misfit was the one who saw the crash and stopped. Another example of fate would be when Bailey screams \u201cWe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! Nobody realizes what it is\u201d because Bailey and his family are going through something bad, and something worst is going to happen which is that they are going to die, so there fate takes place because Bailey was right when he said that because fate killed them. There are many more examples in the story of fate and chance, but these are the ones that caught my attention because it is very interesting the way that fate and chance played a role in this those parts of the story.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937421","body":"Thanks Jose,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318020","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26855623","dateCreated":"1284074862","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pprada","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pprada","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1315457538\/pprada-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26855623"},"dateDigested":1531974068,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"A good man is hard to find","description":"In the Story \u201c A good man is hard to find\u201d, chance and faith play an important role in the plot. Differencing chance to faith, in chance you have information of a situation that may happen, it\u2019s up to you if you want to risk the situation and take a chance, or not. With faith, it\u2019s just your destiny you can\u2019t control because you don\u2019t know anything about what may or may not happen. When the family decides if they are going to travel or not, they are taking a chance. I would consider this situation as a chance, because it\u2019s a decision they are taking, with them being aware of the Misfit. It\u2019s a chance they are taking on whether they\u2019ll encounter with the Misfit or not. The grandma also takes a chance when she points out the plantation. She was not sure if it really was the plantation, but she decides to take the risk or chance of pointing it out not knowing if she was going to confuse the family or not. Faith also plays an important part in the story. It wasn\u2019t the grandma\u2019s decision if she was going to die or not, it was her faith. Also, when the cat attacks Bailey causing the accident that was also an act of faith. Bailey couldn\u2019t do anything about the crash. It wasn\u2019t his decision if the cat was going to attack him or not, it was just something he can\u2019t control.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26855705","body":"Mr. Webster this only has 250 words.. if I add my other example and I support it with evidence it will go waay over 300 words. I can still post it if you want me to. I didnt find any other way to cut it off...","dateCreated":"1284074939","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pprada","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pprada","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1315457538\/pprada-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26937397","body":"Thanks Paula,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284317932","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26854925","dateCreated":"1284073822","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Linndzy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Linndzy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1290198368\/Linndzy-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26854925"},"dateDigested":1531974068,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Chance and Fate","description":"Chance plays a large part in the story A Good Man is Hard to Find, chance being luck or fortune, not being able to determine events. There are a lot of things in the story that would be impossible to determine. One thing that happens completely by chance is that the Misfit escaped prison just before they go on their trip. The fact that he escapes and the grandmother learns about it is not only chance, but also fate. Fate is something that unavoidably befalls a person. The grandma learning about the Misfit\u2019s escape right before they go on the trip is chance because it was something that was impossible to determine. It is pure chance that the grandmother would notice when she did that they were in the wrong state when she did causing the accident. What happened could not have been determined or prepared for in any way. The grandma probably makes the biggest mistake of her life, causing a chain of events that eventually lead to the deaths of her and her family. \u201cThe thought was so embarrassing that she turned red in the face and her eyes dilated and her feet jumped, upsetting her valise in the corner. The instant the valise moved, the newspaper top she had over the basket under it rose with a snarl and Pitty Sing, the cat, jumped onto Bailey\u2019s shoulder\u2026 the car turned over once and landed right-side-up in a gulch off the side of the road.\u201d If it hadn\u2019t been for the grandma and her little confusion with what state the house was in then they never would have gotten into the accident. The accident happening was fate. Both chance and fait brought the family and the Misfit together.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937355","body":"Thanks Lindsey,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284317869","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26852151","dateCreated":"1284069893","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"joseph86","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/joseph86","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26852151"},"dateDigested":1531974068,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"chance and fate","description":"To say that chance and fate have a roll in \u201ca good man is hard to find\u201d. One first has to state the difference between these two words. Chance is the possibility for an event to happen, while fate is a force that predetermines an event. In this story these two factors help each other out, fate uses chance to unroll this story. For example there is example of chance in page one where its says \u201cI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it.\u201d It is kind of ironic how at the end how fate uses chance to put baileys family and the misfit together. Another example of chance in this story is when the grandmother tells the bailey to go through the dirt road. \u201cThe dirt road to the secret panel was hilly and there were sudden washes in it, sharp curves, and dangerous embankments,\u201d (page 5) when this happens chance becomes in place because, by definition, there is a possibility that they can have an accident because of the poorly made road. At the end they do have an accident and because of fate they ended up were they would meet the misfit. So then once lost and stranded chance of being mugged or assaulted increases. \u201cIn a few minutes they saw a car some distance away on top of al hill, coming slowly as in the occupants were watching them\u201d (page 5). Now the chance that this family gets mugged becomes a reality. Then at the end when bailey says \u201cwe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! (Page 7) fate becomes more obvious how at the end all these events take place because of chance, however at the end fate, a force that predetermines events, puts baileys family and the misfit together.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26937317","body":"Thanks Joseph,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284317780","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26845093","dateCreated":"1284061090","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SolSpier","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SolSpier","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26845093"},"dateDigested":1531974069,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Chance and Fate","description":"Chance and fate drive the plot of the short story " A Good Man Is Hard To Find" by Flanery O'Connor. These are two very different themes that together, make the story. Fate is something predetermined, that we have no control over. Chance is unplanned and unpredictable, it is the possibility of something happening. In this story. The family has their fate, which is achieved through a series of events happening by chance. The family had planned a trip to Florida; the grandmother convinces them to go to Tennessee because she wanted to avoid 'The Misfit', a killer, who was in Florida. "I wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it,\u201d(pg. 1). The grandmother is trying to control what will happen to her and her family, their fate. As we find in the end of the story, this is impossible to do, no matter what, you can't change your fate. On the way to Tennessee, the grandma tells Bailey to take an exit, as they are on the dirt road, their cat jumps out, which startles Bailey and makes him crash and flip the car. The cat freaking out was pure chance, as was the accident, but these events led to their fate. The family was forced to stay and wait for a car to pass and help them. "it was a big black battered hearselike automobile. There were three men in it,\u201d (Pg. 6). The family soon finds that one of the men was 'The Misfit'. The grandmother tried to convince Misfit not to kill her, again, trying to change her fate; and again, she was unsuccessful. They all died. This story shows that each person has their fate, and there is no way to change it. Each different event that happens by chance, leads to your fate.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26848181","body":"Question Sol,
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\nWas the cat jumping out really pure chance? How did the cat get in the car? why did it jump out?
\nAnd, if each event that happens by chance leads to your fate, does your fate change if the events determined by chance change?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284064530","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26849079","body":"Chance and fate drive the plot of the short story " A Good Man Is Hard To Find" by Flanery O'Connor. These are two very different themes that together, make the story. Fate is something predetermined, that we have no control over. Chance is unplanned and unpredictable, it is the possibility of something happening. In this story. The family has their fate, which is achieved through a series of events happening by chance. The family had planned a trip to Florida; the grandmother convinces them to go to Tennessee because she wanted to avoid 'The Misfit', a killer, who was in Florida. "I wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it,\u201d(pg. 1). The grandmother is trying to control what will happen to her and her family, their fate. As we find in the end of the story, this is impossible to do, no matter what, you can't change your fate. On the way to Tennessee, the grandma tells Bailey to take an exit. The grandmother got startled when she realized they were on the wrong road, and she accidentally kicked the cat she had previously put in a basket by her feet. The cat freaked out and jumped on Bailey's head. The grandmother confusing the exit was pure chance, which led to the cat freaking out. The cat jumped on Bailey by chance, it could have jumped anywhere else in the car. All of these events led to the car crash. All these events were leading to their fate. The family was forced to stay and wait for a car to pass and help them. "it was a big black battered hearselike automobile. There were three men in it,\u201d (Pg. 6). The family soon finds that one of the men was 'The Misfit'. The grandmother tried to convince Misfit not to kill her, again, trying to change her fate; and again, she was unsuccessful. They all died. The way you get to your fate may change, the events leading to it could be different, but it always concludes in your fate. No matter what you do different, the chances favor your fate, and lead to it. This story shows that each person has their fate, and there is no way to change it.","dateCreated":"1284065919","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SolSpier","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SolSpier","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26937269","body":"Thanks Sol,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284317682","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26804273","dateCreated":"1283987865","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pjoaristi321","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pjoaristi321","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26804273"},"dateDigested":1531974069,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Paulina Joaristi","description":"Chance and fate take a different toll in \u201cA Good Man is Hard to Find\u201d. Although similar there are different things. Chance is the absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, apprehended, or administrated. In the other hand fate is something that unavoidably comes down a person. Through the story we can observe the presence of both, although chance is more present than fate. A Good Man Is Hard to Find is about a Southern family that is about to go on a road trip through the South. The Grandmother fears traveling because Misfit, a criminal, has just escaped from prison. She tries to convince her son, Bailey, to take the family to Tennessee for the vacation instead of to Florida because she read in an article that Misfit was heading for Florida. Here we can observe the first evidence of chance in the story. The family is taking a chance by going to Florida were they might encounter the Misfit. Driving south the grandmother realizes that a plantation she once visited is nearby. She wants to visit the house so she tells her companions that the house has secret panels. They go off into the dirt road where she thinks the house might be. There is a chance it might not be the road to the plantation that grandmother remembered. Effectively the grandmother realizes that the house was in Tennessee, not in Georgia. Taking once again a chance.
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\nAs they are driving,Pitty Sing, the cat escapes, from the basket and startles Bailey, who then wrecks the car. The chances of Bailey wrecking the car were small but fate played its role. A passing car stops, and three men get out, carrying guns. The grandmother thinks she recognizes one of them. The grandmother gets very nervous when she realizes one of the men is the Misfit. So fate has it that the grandmother encounters the Misfit. Later on the Misfit explains,\u201d somewhere along the line I done something wrong and got sent to the penitentiary.\u201d He was accused of killing his own father, even though his father had died from the epidemic flu. What were the chances that the police would think he killed his own father? Yet fate sent him to prison. . All the decisions Misfit took were during his life were based on chance. He now killed the family, so their death was an act of fate. Although chance is more present through the story; fate is what the author is trying to show in the end. Fate is not something human beings can control, it is inevitably predetermined. The grandmother did not choose to die but it was her fate. Every chance present in the story is linked to the next action. Bad luck and fate drove them to their death.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26847995","body":"Paulina,
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\nThanks, but some issues are here...
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\n1) "Although similar there are different things." This needs work.
\n2) two mistakes here: In the other hand fate is something that unavoidably comes down a person.
\n3) How do we punctuate short stories?
\n4) how does Pitty Sing escape?
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\nOtherwise, not bad.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284064246","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26864229","body":"Chance and fate take a different toll in \u201cA Good Man is Hard to Find\u201d. Although chance and fate are somewhat related, in reality they are two different things. Chance is the absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, apprehended, or administrated. In the other hand fate is something that unavoidably befalls a person. Through the story we can observe the presence of both, although chance is more present than fate. \u201cA Good Man Is Hard to Find\u201d is about a Southern family that is about to go on a road trip through the South. The Grandmother fears traveling because Misfit, a criminal, has just escaped from prison. She tries to convince her son, Bailey, to take the family to Tennessee for the vacation instead of to Florida because she read in an article that Misfit was heading for Florida. Here we can observe the first evidence of chance in the story. The family is taking a chance by going to Florida were they might encounter the Misfit. Driving south the grandmother realizes that a plantation she once visited is nearby. She wants to visit the house so she tells her companions that the house has secret panels. They go off into the dirt road where she thinks the house might be. There is a chance it might not be the road to the plantation that grandmother remembered. Effectively the grandmother realizes that the house was in Tennessee, not in Georgia. Taking once again a chance.
\nAs they are driving, the grandmother realized she had made a mistake. She was so embarrassed that her feet jumped up, causing her bag to move and Pitty Sing, the cat, escaped from the basket and startled Bailey, who then wrecked the car. The chances of Bailey wrecking the car were small but fate played its role. A passing car stops, and three men get out, carrying guns. The grandmother thinks she recognizes one of them. The grandmother gets very nervous when she realizes one of the men is the Misfit. So fate has it that the grandmother encounters the Misfit. Later on the Misfit explains,\u201d somewhere along the line I done something wrong and got sent to the penitentiary.\u201d He was accused of killing his own father, even though his father had died from the epidemic flu. What were the chances that the police would think he killed his own father? Yet fate sent him to prison. . All the decisions Misfit took were during his life were based on chance. He now killed the family, so their death was an act of fate. Although chance is more present through the story; fate is what the author is trying to show in the end. Fate is not something human beings can control, it is inevitably predetermined. The grandmother did not choose to die but it was her fate. Every chance present in the story is linked to the next action. Bad luck and fate drove them to their death.","dateCreated":"1284085061","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"pjoaristi321","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pjoaristi321","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26937475","body":"Next time, Paulina, please just answer the questions or correct the mistakes like I asked in class...Like this...
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\nIt makes it easier for you and for me.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284318123","smartDate":"Sep 12, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26759067","dateCreated":"1283905471","smartDate":"Sep 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26759067"},"dateDigested":1531974069,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"A Good Man is Hard To Find\" Response- Melanie Velado ","description":"A Good Man Is Hard To Find by Flannery O\u2019Connor is majorly about chance and fate. Chance and fate have huge roles in this short story and are reflected in many ways. First of all, the grandmother didn\u2019t want to head to Florida because she was very conscious about the case of \u201cThe Misfit\u201d. She was well aware that the Misfit had been released from the Federal Pen and was headed to Florida. The grandmother said: \u201cI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it,\u201d (Pg. 1) She obviously didn\u2019t want to take her grandchildren in the same direction the criminal was heading at because there was a slight chance that they could bump into each other. Second of all, \u201cthe dirt road to the secret panel was hilly and there were sudden washes in it, sharp curves, and dangerous embankments,\u201d (Pg. 5) There is definitely a chance to get in an accident in such a dangerous road. When the grandmother recalled that the secret panel wasn\u2019t in Florida, but in Tennessee, whole family\u2019s fate was to end up being lost because she didn\u2019t say anything because of the embarrassment. \u201cIn a few minutes they saw a car some distance away on top of al hill, coming slowly as in the occupants were watching them\u2026 it was a big black battered hearselike automobile. There were three men in it,\u201d (Pgs. 5-6) This description definitely demonstrates the chance of the men in the car being offenders. There is a big chance for the family to get robbed or offended in any way. Finally, when Bailey says: \u201cwe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! Nobody realizes what this is,\u201d (Pg. 7) Fate definitely plays a role in this statement because it describes what a terrible situation Bailey and his family are going through. Their fate is definitely negative, and it is that they will die one way or the other because they were all in a terrible predicament while they met \u201cThe Misfit.\u201d","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26797257","body":"Alright Melanie,
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\nI am not sure whether you have distinguished between chance and fate here... are there differences? If so could you identify them...
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\nI would then like you to go back and re-think your response through.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283976897","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26843863","body":"A Good Man Is Hard To Find by Flannery O\u2019Connor is majorly about chance and fate. Chance and fate have huge roles in this short story and are reflected in many ways. Chance is defined as a possibility of something happening, on the other hand, fate is defined as the development of events beyond a person\u2019s control or in other words, your destiny. Fate is reflected in the following phrase \u201cIn case of an accident, anyone seeing her dead on the highway would know at once that she was a lady,\u201d (Pg. 1) This is a foreshadow that the grandmother\u2019s fate is to be an accident, and that anyone who would see her would recognize her because she is very lady-like. First of all, the grandmother didn\u2019t want to head to Florida because she was well aware that the Misfit had been released from the Federal Pen and was headed to Florida. The grandmother said: \u201cI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it,\u201d (Pg. 1) She obviously didn\u2019t want to take her grandchildren in the same direction the criminal was heading at because there was a slight chance that they could bump into each other. Second of all, \u201cthe dirt road to the secret panel was hilly and there were sudden washes in it, sharp curves, and dangerous embankments,\u201d (Pg. 5) There is definitely a chance to get in an accident in such a dangerous road that hasn\u2019t been traveled in a long period of time. \u201cIn a few minutes they saw a car some distance away on top of al hill, coming slowly as in the occupants were watching them\u2026 it was a big black battered hearse like automobile. There were three men in it,\u201d (Pgs. 5-6) This description definitely demonstrates the chance of the men in the car being offenders, maybe even being \u201cThe Misfit\u201d. Many of the events in the story like the car accident, and bumping into the \u201cMisfit\u201d are all chances that lead up to the family\u2019s fate\u2026 death.","dateCreated":"1284059477","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"meladovelado","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meladovelado","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1317260331\/meladovelado-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26848075","body":"Alright Melanie,
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284064347","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26722541","dateCreated":"1283831743","smartDate":"Sep 6, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"bibi_lamas","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bibi_lamas","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285202747\/bibi_lamas-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26722541"},"dateDigested":1531974070,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Bianca Rodriguez-Lamas","description":"
\nChance and Fate take a hefty role in the story \u201cA Good Man Is Hard to Find.\u201d The words chance and fate are frequently confused because of their resemblance. Fate is what will occur, something that is predetermined, it can\u2019t be changed. On the other hand, Chance is a 50 \/50% chance of happening. \u201cThe absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, understood, or controlled.\u201d The story is more heavily influenced by the uncertainty of chance and all that it implies rather than the concrete challenge of fate. \u201cHere this fellow that calls himself The Misfit is a loose from the Federal Pen and headed towards Florida and you read here what it says he did to these people.\u201d The story begins with the grandmother not wanting to go to Florida with her son and his family, since this criminal was loose. So they decided to take an alternative rout to another place. While on the road the grandmother recognized a plantation with a house she remembered as young. \u201cShe recalled exactly which road to turn off to get to it. She knew Bailey would not be willing to loose any time...\u201d Once they convinced Bailey, they headed to the house on a dusty unpaved road. While driving the grandmothers cat jumped on Bailey who made him loose control of the car, and resulted in a terrible accident. Chance takes place here in many different aspects. The chance of the grandmother remembering the house, followed by the chance of Bailey giving in to go to the old house, even though he knew it was a waist of time. The possibility of the cat jumping on Bailey causing an accident. More ironically a car appeared at a distance which had 3 men in it. \u201cThe grandmother had the peculiar feeling that he bespectacled man was someone she knew\u2026 She scrambled to her feet and stood staring, you\u2019re The Misfit.\u201d Here chance is seen again since the grandmother was well aware of whom this criminal was, on the other hand Bailey didn\u2019t know anything about him, until his mother made him aware of the situation. As well as the odds of Misfit not being in Florida, when the family was trying to avoid any kind of danger. Chances were seen in Misfit as well as he said; \u201cTurn to the right, it was a wall... Turn to the left it was a wall. Look up it was a ceiling; look down it was a floor. I forget what I done, lady.\u201d Misfit got blamed for killing his father when he recalls that his father died of the epidemic flue, and he had nothing to do with it. The chances of his son being blamed for the death of his father are present. Misfit took wrong decisions and many o f them were based on chances, which created him into the monster he is. Fate is the main idea of the story. Since the beginning of the story Misfit was a prevailing subject. \u201cDid you read about that criminal, The Misfit, that\u2019s escaped?\u201d Meeting with Misfit was always destined. The accident was what lead them to the grave. \u201cIn case of an accident, anyone seeing her dead on the highway would know at once that she was a lady.\u201d This was said at the very beginning of the story, which seemed very suspicious. That what leads me to believe it was all fate. When they crashed the grandmother suggested; \u201cMaybe a car will come along.\u201d Surprise Surprise, it was Misfit. It is all connected. Misfit was not in Florida, he encounters the family after they crashed, the grandmother was all dressed incase of an accident. It all leads to the death of the family. It was their destiny, it was their fate, to meet up with Misfit and die.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26797825","body":"This is well-written, and even better, Bianca, well thought out. You did a good job explaining the difference between the two concepts and identifying pieces from the short story in which to investigate and explain.
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\nNow, let's play the homonym game: what is the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'? 'waste' and 'waist'?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283977863","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26798179","body":"
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\nThe chance of the grandmother remembering the house, followed by the chance of Bailey giving in to go to the old house, even though he knew it was a waste of time.
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\n\u201cShe recalled exactly which road to turn off to get to it. She knew Bailey would not be willing to lose any time...\u201d
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\n. \u201cHere this fellow that calls himself The Misfit is loose from the Federal Pen and headed towards Florida and you read here what it says he did to these people.\u201d","dateCreated":"1283978348","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"bibi_lamas","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bibi_lamas","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285202747\/bibi_lamas-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26847727","body":"Good Bianca,
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\nWhat about 'waste' and 'waist'?
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284063831","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"26712725","dateCreated":"1283811835","smartDate":"Sep 6, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"negrasolano","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/negrasolano","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961550\/negrasolano-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/davidgarethw-books-b.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/26712725"},"dateDigested":1531974070,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"What is the role of chance or fate in the story? -Nicole Solano","description":"The story \u201c A Good Man is Hard to Find\u201d is all about fate or chance.We can see in the story that some of the events happen they could\u2019ve been prevented.For example the Grandmother kept insisting for the family to go to Tennessee she had warned them that The Misfit has been a loosed from the Federal Pen, and that he was gonna go to Florida, the same place their family wanted to go.\u201dI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it. I couldn\u2019t answer to my conscience if I did.\u201d Here the grandmother is warning them not go,telling them how risky it would be. But who would have ever thought that they would actually run into him? As the story goes on we can see that the chances of them running into The Misfit become higher. The suspense of the story get\u2019s higher due to several reasons. The fact that the road to the \u201cold house\u201d was not paved, the whole accident and how it happened, and how randomly a car with 3 guys appear,this events make us see that the chance of them getting killed is now bigger.How the accident happens seems to me it was chance, the one who had the jump that caused the accident was the grandmother,what caused Bailey to loose control of the car was the cat, and the cat was brought by the grandmotherIt was fate for them to meet up with The Misfit.The parents, and both of their children couldn\u2019t control their fate to get killed, and it was really clear that they had a really big chance of it, especially because of how Bailey talked about the situation so opened.\u201dWe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! Nobody realized what this is.\u201d So in a way Bailey did made his chances of being the 1st one to die larger.The grandmother tries to evade fate by talking him(The Misfit) out of it, and he actually made me believe that he wouldn\u2019t kill her.The grandmother was the one that talked to him the most.She made him think about what she said, to the point that he opens up to her about his life.\u201dI never was a bad boy that I remember of, but somewhere along the line I done something wrong and got sent to the penitentiary.I was buried alive.\u201dThe grandmother was doing fine until she reached out to touch him, and caused him to shoot her 3 times. I\u2019m not saying it wasn\u2019t fate, but i\u2019m saying she risked her chance to it.I think in this story everything is fate but their fate was brought up by chance.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"26797647","body":"Nicole,
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\nOn the good side you made a great argument between chance and fate when you spoke of the cat and the car accident. Nicely explained and well-detailed.
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\nBut I wish that you would do the same thing explaining, for instance, how or why the 'chance' for violence was increased because of an unpaved road.
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\nFurthermore, there are so many misspelling and egregious grammatical errors here that I really can't ignore it...
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\n1)We can see in the story that some of the events happen they could\u2019ve been prevented.
\n2)The Misfit has been a loosed
\n3) gonna . Nicole, never, ever, ever use gonna, wanna, coulda, shoulda again. ever.
\n4) how randomly a car with 3 guys
\n5) this events make us
\n6)So in a way Bailey did made
\n7)1st one
\n8) I\u2019m not saying it wasn\u2019t fate, but i\u2019m saying she risked her chance to it.I think in this story everything is fate but their fate was brought up by chance.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1283977555","smartDate":"Sep 8, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26832015","body":"The story \u201c A Good Man is Hard to Find\u201d is all about fate or chance.We can see in the story that some of the events happen they could\u2019ve been prevented.For example the Grandmother kept insisting for the family to go to Tennessee she had warned them that The Misfit has been a loosed from the Federal Pen, and that he was going to Florida, the same place their family wanted to go.\u201dI wouldn\u2019t take my children in any direction with a criminal like that a loose in it. I couldn\u2019t answer to my conscience if I did.\u201d Here the grandmother is warning them not go,telling them how risky it would be. But who would have ever thought that they would actually run into him? As the story goes on we can see that the chances of them running into The Misfit become higher. The suspense of the story get\u2019s higher due to several reasons. How the whole accident happened and how all of a sudden a car with 3 guys appeared, those events made me think that something bad was going to happen, that fate had lead them there.How the accident happens seems to me it was chance, the one who had the jump that caused the accident was the grandmother,what caused Bailey to loose control of the car was the cat, and the cat was brought by the grandmotherIt was fate for them to meet up with The Misfit.The parents, and both of their children couldn\u2019t control their fate to get killed, and it was really clear that they had a really big chance of it, especially because of how Bailey talked about the situation so opened.\u201dWe\u2019re in a terrible predicament! Nobody realized what this is.\u201d Bailey did made his chances of being the fist one to die bigger, by talking this way to The Misfit.The grandmother tries to evade fate by talking him(The Misfit) out of it, and he actually made me believe that he wouldn\u2019t kill her.The grandmother was the one that talked to him the most.She made him think about what she said, to the point that he opens up to her about his life.\u201dI never was a bad boy that I remember of, but somewhere along the line I done something wrong and got sent to the penitentiary.I was buried alive.\u201dThe grandmother was doing fine until she reached out to touch him, and caused him to shoot her 3 times.I\u2019m not saying everything was fate, or everything was chance. Everything was a little bit of both.","dateCreated":"1284044552","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"negrasolano","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/negrasolano","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1222961550\/negrasolano-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"26847857","body":"Nicole, I am still seeing the same mistakes. Just list them like below and correct them that way...
\n1)...
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\nThat way you don't have to go searching around in your paragraph to fix things, and neither do I.
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\nThanks,
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\nWebster","dateCreated":"1284063988","smartDate":"Sep 9, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"davidgarethw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/davidgarethw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}